American Forum: How did Hillary Clinton Snatch Defeat?

American Forum: How did Hillary Clinton Snatch Defeat?


>>IT’S ABOUT HISTORY POLICY, , AND IMPACT. A NEW PERSPECTIVE ON CURRENT AFFAIRS, BRINGING EXPERIENCE, INSIGHT, CIVILITY AND SCHOLARSHIP TO THE URGENT ISSUES OF TODAY. IT’S ABOUT OUR PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE. YOUR HOST, PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST, DOUGLAS BLACKMON. FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA’S MILLER CENTER, THIS IS “AMERICAN FORUM. ” BLACKMON: WELCOME BACK TO AMERICAN FORUM. I’M DOUG BLACKMON. WHEN A POLITICAL CANDIDATE LOSES A CLOSE ELECTION, WHOSE FAULT IS IT, AND HOW MUCH DOES THAT REALLY MATTER? WE LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT OUR BRUTAL POLITICAL SYSTEM SHAKES OUT THE REALITIES OF OUR CANDIDATES, EXPOSING THEM FOR WHO THEY REALLY ARE, THE GOOD AND THE BAD, AND THAT, IN THE END, WHO WINS OR LOSES SIMPLY BOILS DOWN TO WHETHER THE PEOPLE LIKED WHAT THEY SAW. BUT WHAT ABOUT AN ELECTION LIKE 2016? THE LOSER, HILLARY CLINTON, ACTUALLY WON 3 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN THE WINNER, DONALD TRUMP. IN FACT, CLINTON WON MORE VOTES THAN ANY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY. DID DONALD TRUMP WIN ON A TECHNICALITY? DID CLINTON BLOW IT, OR WAS SHE SIMPLY UNELECTABLE? ALMOST A YEAR LATER, PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF STILL REPEATEDLY BRINGS UP HIS UNEXPECTED VICTORY, USUALLY AS PROOF THAT ANY SETBACK HE SUFFERS IS REALLY THE RESULT OF DEMOCRATIC SOUR GRAPES OVER, AS HE HAS SAID SO MANY TIMES, AN ELECTION HILLARY CLINTON SHOULDN’T HAVE LOST. NOW, WITH THE PRESIDENT’S APPROVAL RATINGS AT HISTORIC LOWS, OPEN WARFARE BETWEEN HIM AND MANY IN HIS OWN PARTY, THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IS ALREADY CRANKING UP. ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING WHY 2016 TURNED OUT THE WAY IT DID WILL BE CRUCIAL TO EVERY POTENTIAL CANDIDATE INCLUDING PRESIDENT TRUMP. OUR GUESTS IN THIS EPISODE ARE — IN THIS EPISODE ARE WASHINGTON POLITICAL REPORTERS JONATHAN ALLEN AND AMIE PARNES. THEY COVERED THE 2016 ELECTION AND ARE THE AUTHORS OF “SHATTERED,” INSIDE HILLARY CLINTON’S DOOMED CAMPAIGN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ALLEN: THANKS FOR HAVING US. PARNES: THANK YOU. BLACKMON SO YESTERDAY, A VIEWER : OF THE PROGRAM SAW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO BE GUESTS ON THE SHOW AND TWEETED THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD WE ORGANIZE A PROGRAM ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON’S FAILED CAMPAIGN WHEN, IN FACT, ACCORDING TO THIS VIEWER SHE WON. AND SO SOMEONE ELSE CHIMED IN AND SAID, SHE WON. THE REASON SHE DIDN’T BECOME PRESIDENT IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF RUSSIAN TAMPERING, RIGGED VOTING IN WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN, ETC., YOU GUYS HAVE TO GET REACTIONS LIKE THAT FAIRLY OFTEN TO THE BOOK, BUT WHAT-SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE PERSON WHO SAYS, SHE DIDN’T LOSE, IT WAS STOLEN? PARNES: SHE DID LOSE ACTUALLY. IN THIS NATION WE RELY ON ELECTORAL COLLEGE TO ELECT A PRESIDENT. I THINK JON AND I LIKE TO SAY THAT NOT ONLY SHOULD SHE HAVE WON, BUT SHE SHOULD HAVE KILLED HIM. SHE SHOULD HAVE SLAUGHTERED HIM. IT WAS HERS TO WIN, AND SHE LOST. BLACKMON: NOT IN WHO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST PRESIDENT BUT JUST IN TERMS OF TWO FOOTBALL TEAMS ON THE FIELD, WHICH ONE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO IN THE SUPER BOWL. IN THIS CASE, THAT WAS HILLARY CLINTON. THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY SUPPOSED TO WIN BASED ON THE TALENT SHE HAD, THE SITUATION, WHO THE OPPONENT WAS. IT WAS, HANDS DOWN, ALL HER. PARNES: SHE HAD THE STAR POWER BEHIND HER. SHE HAD A VERY POPULAR PRESIDENT IN BARACK OBAMA, HIS WIFE, MICHELLE OBAMA, A STRING OF SURROGATES. HER BROOKLYN HEADQUARTERS, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKED THERE. SHE HAD EVERYTHING BEHIND HER. THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK IT WAS HERS TO LOSE. ALLEN: I THINK THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT AND IT COMES THROUGH IN THE BOOK, HILLARY CLINTON INFLICTED A LOT OF WOUNDS ON HERSELF THAT WERE UNNECESSARY THAT PUT HER IN A POSITION TO LOSE TO DONALD TRUMP ON AN ELECTION DAY THAT REALLY, GIVEN THE NUMBERS, COULD HAVE-COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY, I MEAN, TALKING ABOUT 70,000 VOTES OVER A FEW STATES. NUMBER ONE, SHE FAILED TO PUT TOGETHER A COHERENT MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO FOR THE COUNTRY. DONALD TRUMP WAS VERY GOOD AT THAT. WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREED WITH HIM, HE WAS VERY GOOD AT MESSAGING WHAT HE WANTED TO BRING. WE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE MEANT TO SAY HE WANTED TO HAVE A MORE NATIONALIST VIEW OF THE WORLD, RIGHT? WE’RE GOING TO END THE TRADE DEALS. WE’RE GOING TO ERECT A BORDER WALL. THE ECONOMIC POLICIES HAD A MORE POPULIST FLAIR, SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT HE WAS DOING WITH THAT. ON HER SIDE THERE WAS NEVER THAT , ARTICULATION, AND THAT’S NOT OUR JUDGMENT. THAT’S WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE CLOSEST TO HER TOLD US IN THE COURSE OF REPORTING ON THE BOOK, SO THERE’S THAT. THE EMAIL SCANDAL, COMPLETELY SELF-INFLICTED, WHERE SHE SET UP AN EMAIL SERVER THAT ENDED UP OUTSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM THAT ENDED UP HAVING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL ON IT. WHEN SHE SAYS JIM COMEY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER LOSS, WE WOULDN’T KNOW ABOUT JIM COMEY WERE IT NOT FOR THE EMAIL SERVER THAT SHE SET UP, WE BELIEVE, IN AN EFFORT TO CIRCUMVENT FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS BY REPORTERS. NUMBER THE SPEECHES THAT SHE THREE, GAVE TO WALL STREET BANKS AT A TIME OF RISING POPULISM, AS SHE WAS PREPARING TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY. SHE ESSENTIALLY PRIORITIZED HER OWN FINANCIAL GAIN OVER THE BEST POLITICAL SENSE, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN, OBVIOUSLY, NOT TO GIVE PRIVATE SPEECHES TO GOLDMAN SACHS AND NOT RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS. BLACKMON: I WANT TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC POINTS THAT YOU MAKE. THE ARGUMENT YOU MAKE A LITTLE MORE METHODICALLY. WE SHOULD SAY HILLARY CLINTON’S OWN BOOK, HER OWN ACCOUNT OF THIS AND WHAT HAPPENED, IS JUST ABOUT TO HIT BOOKSTORES, OR WILL BE HITTING THEM AS THIS EPISODE AIRS. THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN SOME DISCLOSURE OF WHAT’S IN THE BOOK AND SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT SHE MAKES, SOME OF WHICH SHE HAS BEEN SAYING FOR SOME TIME NOW. BUT ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT SHE DOES MAKE A POINT OF, I THINK, IN THE NEW BOOK, UH, IS THAT — SHE ACKNOWLEDGES SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAY. I THINK SHE PARTICULAR ACKNOWLEDGES MESSAGING PROBLEMS AND SOME OF THOSE SORTS OF FACTORS, BUT THEN SHE SAYS, IN THE END, SOME OF IT WAS ALSO SIMPLY BECAUSE I’M A WOMAN. IT DOES SUGGEST AND A ELECTION LIKE THIS WHERE THE ODDS ARE SO GREATLY IN FAVOR OF ONE SIDE IN TERMS OF THE BASIC MATH AND TACTICS AND STRATEGY AND HOW IT OUGHT TO TURN OUT IS IT FAIR TO , SAY THAT THE-THAT THE GENDER QUESTION COULD WELL BE A-A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE WHOLE EXPLANATION, THAT THAT’S WHAT MADE HER VULNERABLE TO-TO THESE MISTAKES THAT YOU OUTLINE PRECISELY? PARNES: I THINK WE THINK IT WAS A FACTOR. WE TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE BOOK, HOW SHE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT AT ONE EVENT AND KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGES WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO HAVE A FEMALE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF IN A ROOM FULL OF VETERANS. I THINK WHAT SHE SUFFERED FROM WAS A LIKABILITY PROBLEM. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST UNDERRATED STORIES OF THIS ELECTION WAS THE FACT THAT SHE COULDN’T TURN OUT MILLENNIAL WOMEN. FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY JUST DIDN’T FEEL INSPIRED TO VOTE FOR HER. THEY THOUGHT THAT A LOT OF THEM WERE BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS AND THEY THOUGHT FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WILL SEE ANOTHER WOMAN PRESIDENT IN THEIR LIFETIME AND THEY DID NOT FEEL COMPELLED TO VOTE F HER. THAT WAS A PROBLEM, THE FACT THAT SHE COULD NOT TURN THESE PEOPLE OUT FOR HER. I FOUND THAT, AS A WOMAN, SHOCKING IN A WAY, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HERE’S A WOMAN WHO ACTUALLY — WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. SHE DIDN’T REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT, WHAT SHE DID LAST TIME, THE FACT THAT SHE WAS A FEMALE CANDIDATE. SHE DID THAT THIS TIME. I THOUGHT, SURELY SHE’LL BE ABLE TO LURE SOME SUPPORT THAT WAY, AND SHE DIDN’T. BLACKMON: WHAT WAS FASCINATING TO ME ON THE SAME LINES, IN THE END THE GENDER PROBLEM WAS NOT PRIMARILY HOWEVER WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS RIGHT, THE QUESTION OF , OR THE PROBLEM OF OLD-FASHIONED SEXIST VOTERS NOT BEING WILLING TO LOOK AT A WOMAN. MAYBE THAT IS A PART OF IT, BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM BEING THAT PROGRESSIVE-MINDED FEMINIST VOTERS, A CERTAIN CATEGORY OF THEM BEING UNWILLING TO VOTE FOR A WOMAN. THAT IS A REMARKABLE DOUBLE IRONY. ALLEN: WE DID AN EVENT AFTER THE BOOK WAS RELEASED IN BOSTON. WE WERE ASKED A SIMILAR QUESTION ABOUT SEXISM. KNOWING I WAS TAKING A RISK IN ANSWERING THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF JUST DEFERRING TO AMIE TO DO IT, SOMEONE SAID IS IT SEXIST THAT YOU’VE CRITICIZED HER FOR HER CAMPAIGN MANAGEMENT AND FOR HER MESSAGE AND FOR ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS IN THE BOOK? I SAID, I THINK IT WOULD BE SEXIST IF WE DIDN’T. I DON’T MEAN TO TURN THAT AROUND AND QUITE SO EASY WAY SO LET ME , EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS HERE. DOES SEXISM CONTRIBUTE TO THE DIFFICULTY THAT A LOT OF AMERICANS HAVE WITH HILLARY CLINTON? I THINK ALSO-THE QUESTION-THE ANSWER TO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY, AND OVER THE-ESPECIALLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 25 YEARS. WHEN SHE FIRST CAME INTO THE PICTURE, THE IDEA OF HAVING, UM, AN EDUCATED AND, UH, PARTNER-TYPE WIFE FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WAS GREAT FOR BILL CLINTON IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY AND BAD FOR HIM IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, AND WE SAW THAT TRANSITION OF HILLARY CLINTON OVER THE COURSE OF THAT CAMPAIGN IN 1992. BY NOW, THE IDEA OF HAVING A WIFE WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. SO HILLARY CLINTON WAS JUDGED ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE WE WERE SOCIETALLY 25 YEARS AGO, AND YOU KIND OF RACK UP ALL THAT BAGGAGE OVER TIME. HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF ELECTIONS, YOUR JOB AS A CANDIDATE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR YOU BECAUSE OF, DESPITE WHATEVER YOUR CHARACTER TRAITS ARE, WHATEVER YOUR GOD-GIVEN ATTRIBUTES ARE AND SHE WAS , UNABLE TO DO THAT. SHE WAS UNABLE TO TURN WHATEVER SEXISM THERE WAS INTO AN ADVANTAGE WHICH IS WHAT A , CANDIDATE SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO. THEY SHOULD BE TRYING TO SAY, LOOK, HERE’S THE SEXISM THAT’S HAPPENING, AND HERE’S MY ANSWER TO IT, OR TO AVOID THE SUBJECT ENTIRELY. BARACK OBAMA WAS THE AFRICAN FIRST AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE COUNTRY IS 12% AFRICAN AMERICAN. THE COUNTRY IS MAJORITY FEMALE. THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A WOMAN TO WIN OR THAT SHE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HER OWN SHORTCOMINGS IN GETTING VOTERS TO VOTE FOR HER IS INCOMPLETE AT BEST. BLACKMON: A CONSISTENT THEME FROM 2008 WITH HILLARY CLINTON AND 2016, BOILS DOWN TO POOR CHOICES FOR PEOPLE IN KEY POSITIONS IT SEEMS AND AN UNWILLINGNESS TO DITCH THEM WHEN THE EVIDENCE BEGINS TO GROW THAT THINGS ARE NOT GOING THE RIGHT WAY. JUST A REALLY BASIC PICKING THE WRONG PEOPLE AND BEING TOO LOYAL TO THEM. PARNES: RIGHT. SHE LEARNED A LESSON IN BRINGING IN NEW BLOOD, SO SHE DOES. SHE BRINGS IN A LOT OF OBAMA PEOPLE BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT , THEY DON’T EXACTLY MESH WELL WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE IN CLINTON WORLD YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF, BILL CLINTON’S WORLD, HILLARY CLINTON’S WORLD, HER STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, HER 08 AND ALWAYS — EMPLOYEES, HER SENATE OFFICE. THEY DON’T QUITE PLAY WHILE TOGETHER SO YOU HAVE THAT DYNAMIC. SHE TRIED TO LEARN HER LESSON AND TRIED TO ELIMINATE WHAT WAS GOING WRONG. SHE WAS MAKING PRIVATE DECISIONS BEHIND THE SCENES. PUBLICLY IT WAS EVERYTHING IS GREAT, THIS CAMPAIGN IS BEING RUN SMOOTHLY, BUT BEHIND-THE-SCENES, SHE HAS CREATED A SUPER SIX BOARD OF DIRECTORS WHEN THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING WRONG, SHE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY AWAY FROM SOME PEOPLE, GIVES MORE POWER TO JAKE SULLIVAN, HER POLICY ADVISOR. THE PUBLIC HAS NO IDEA THIS IS HAPPENING. I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT AND THAT SHE STILL HAS PROBLEMS. ONE THING THAT FOLLOWS HER FROM 2008 IS THE FACT THAT SHE CANNOT DITCH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOOD FOR HER, EVEN THIS TIME AROUND. BLACKMON: IN 2008, THAT WAS THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER, PATTI SOLIS DOYLE, WHO SHE IS CONSISTENTLY HANGING ON TO UNTIL WAY PAST ALMOST EVERY-EVERY POLITICAL OPERATOR IS SAYING — BUT THEN FINALLY DITCHES THIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER BUT WHO SHE HAD A LONG, VERY DEEP PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH. IN 2016, DESPITE HAVING LEARNED THESE LESSONS IT’S DIFFERENT IN , SOME WAYS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE CHARACTERS LIKE HUMA ABEDIN, YOU KNOW, THIS INCREDIBLY CLOSE, ALMOST DAUGHTER-LIKE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN HER ADVISOR, WHO SHE JUST CAN’T LET GO EVEN AFTER SHE HAS BECOME POLITICALLY TOXIC. ALLEN: ONE OF THE EARLY EXCERPTS THEY CAME OUT FROM HILLARY CLIN WHERE HUMA ABEDIN IS CRYING ON H CLINTON’S SHOULDER AFTER THE FINAL ANTHONY WEINER TEXT MESSAGING BLOWUP AND IT’S , AMAZING. THAT’S THE POINT AT WHICH HUMA ABEDIN WAS SORT OF-NOT EXCOMMUNICATED BUT TAKEN OFF THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL SO THAT, AT LEAST, SHE WOULDN’T BE A VISIBLE REMINDER OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. BLACKMON: NO MORE PHOTOGRAPHS OF HER AND CANDIDATE CLINTON OUTS AIRPLANE. ALLEN: STILL HILLARY CLINTON PLACE A GROUP — HILLARY CLINTON SAYING SHE NEVER ABANDONED HUMA. SHE IS WRITING ABOUT HER INCREDIBLY PAINFUL MOMENT IN HER BOOK. WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THAT, YOU CAN HAVE ANYBODY YOU WANT AROUND YOU. THE QUESTION IS, WHO ARE YOU EMPOWERING TO MAKE DECISIONS. SO IF SHE WANTS HUMA ABEDIN AROUND HER BECAUSE SHE IS, — PROVIDES SOME SORT OF SUPPORT OR COMFORT OR EVEN A MENTAL ROLODEX OF WHO THE CLINTONS’ FRIENDS AND ENEMIES ARE, ALL OF THAT IS GREAT. BUT THE COMPLAINT WE HEARD TIME AND AGAIN WAS ABEDIN NOT ONLY ACTED AS A GATEKEEPER AND A SORT OF TRANSLATOR OFTEN MADE OFTEN MADE DECISIONS THAT WERE , OUTSIDE HER PURVIEW, AND THEY COULDN’T EVER TELL-I SHOULDN’T SAY EVER TELL, BUT THEY OFTEN COULDN’T TELL WHETHER A DECISION WAS BEING MADE BY HILLARY CLINTON AND TRANSLATED BY HUMA ABEDIN OR ACTUALLY BEING MADE BY HUMA ABEDIN. BLACKMON: A CLOSE AIDE TO HILLARY CLINTON BUT ALSO THE WIFE AT OF FORMER CONGRESSMAN ANTHONY WEINER WHO WAS CAUGHT UP IN THE SCANDAL OF TEXTING SEXUAL IMAGES OF HIS BODY TO RANDOM WOMEN. THAT IS THE SCANDAL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ALLEN: OUR UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN HUMA ABEDIN WAS FINALLY PUSHED OFF THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL CONTRARY , TO WHAT THIS LATEST EXCERPT SUGGESTS FROM HILLARY CLINTON’S BOOK, THIS WAS DONE WITH HILLARY CLINTON’S BLESSING IF NOT EXPLICIT INSTRUCTION. BASICALLY HER COLLEAGUES AND , SAID DO WITH ME WHAT YOU WILL AND THE ANSWER WAS GET OFF THE TRAIL. THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN WITHOUT HILLARY CLINTON THINKING THAT’S THE RIGHT ANSWER. BLACKMON: AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION IN THE SUMMER, I WAS THERE DOING REPORTING FOR ANOTHER PROJECT OF MINE. I WAS IN THE SUITE OF DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, STILL THE DNC CHAIR, AND LATER IN THE OBAMA SUITE, NOT WITH THE OBAMA’S, BUT I WAS SITTING BEHIND VALERIE JARRETT, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS INNER CIRCLE OF OBAMAISTAS. AND I TURNED AROUND AT ONE POINT, WALK OUT IN THE HALLWAY, AND ANTHONY WEINER, THE CONGRESSMAN, THE DISGRACED CONGRESSMAN, IS THERE, IS STANDING THERE. AND I TURNED AROUND TO THE PEOPLE I WAS WITH AND SAID WHO COULD POSSIBLY ALLOWED THIS, THE MOST SECURE PLACE ON THE PLANET. HOW IS IT THAT THIS DANGEROUSLY TESTATOR’S LIABILITY TO ANY DEMOCRAT TO BE HERE AND SOMEONE E YOU CAN’T TELL THEY HAVE TO GO AWAY. I WAS ASTONISHED. ALLEN: AS LONG AS HE TOOK A SMART PHOTO WAY ON THE WAY AND. BLACKMON: THESE POOR CAMPAIGN CHOICES, A SLOWNESS TO MOVE, OVER LOYALTY. YOU ALSO HAVE BASIC THINGS LIKE THE E-MAIL SERVER. FOR INSTANCE, WHERE IN THE END THE EMAIL SERVER-AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL, UH, WAS INNOCUOUS. IT’S MOSTLY REFERENCES TO MEDIA STORIES ABOUT DRONES DURING THE TIME THAT DRONES WERE STILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGED TO EXIST BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. SO IN THE END, THE CONTENT OF THE MATERIAL THAT ENDS UP ON THE SERVER IS NOT RE ISSUE. THERE ARE NOT BEEN GHAZI E-MAILS OF HER TELLING THE MILITARY TO STAND DOWN AND LET PEOPLE DIE IN BENGHAZI. NONE OF THE THINGS THAT HER OPPONENTS IMAGINED THERE BUT , SIMPLY THE DECISION TO DO THINGS THE WAY THEY WERE DONE BECOMES THIS CRIPPLING ISSUE. PARNES: IT FOLLOWS HER THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. NEW STORIES ARE GENERATED AND THEY FAILED TO GET A GRIP ON IT. THE CLINTONS THEMSELVES DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM. IN THE BEGINNING OF A THINK IT’S GOING TO BLOW OVER AND EVEN DURING THE SUMMER A LOT OF HER SENIOR AIDES ARE TRYING TO GET HER TO ADDRESS IT AND TALK ABOUT IT MORE AND GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT. AND SHE AND HER HUSBAND ARE SAYING, WE DID NOTHING WRONG. WHY SHOULD WE DO THIS? IT TAKES UNTIL SEPTEMBER, THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, AROUND THIS TIME, FOR HER TO FINALLY ADDRESS IT AND TO ACTUALLY SAY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. AND EVEN THEN, IT TAKES HER A COUPLE OF TIMES. SHE CAN’T GET IT RIGHT. THE TONE IS OFF. ALLEN: HILLARY CLINTON UNDERSTANDS HOW INFORMATION WORKS. WHETHER OR NOT SHE UNDERSTANDS HOW THE DEVICE WORKS, SHE UNDERSTANDS THE POWER OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS WATCHED EVERY WORD SHE EVER WRITTEN BROUGHT OUT AGAINST HER IN THE PAST, SHE IS SOMEBODY WHO AFTER THE 2008 CAMPAIGN, HAD AIDS DOWNLOAD THE MESSAGES OF HER OTHER CAMPAIGN STAFF SO SHE COULD READ THROUGH THEM AND SEE WHO WAS LEAKING AND SAYING BAD STUFF ABOUT HER AND EACH OTHER. SOMEBODY IS AWARE OF HOW POWERFUL INFORMATION IS, HOW IT MOVES AND THE IDEA — I THINK THE IDEA THAT SHE DID NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THIS AND THAT THE PEOPLE AROUND HER JUST DIDN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THIS AND KIND OF BACKED INTO IT IS AT ODDS WITH ANY HISTORY THAT WE’VE SEEN. BLACKMON: TALK ABOUT THE ROLE OF BILL CLINTON. WHERE DOES HE FIT INTO THIS AND HOW MUCH OF THE WHY SHE LOST STORY SHOULD BE SITTING IN FRONT — THE BLAME SHOULD BE AT THE FEET OF BILL CLINTON? PARNES: THEY LOOKED AT 2008 WHEN THEY PERFORM TO THEIR INITIAL AUTOPSY OF THAT CAMPAIGN AND SAID THAT HE WAS PROBLEMATIC. HE CONTRIBUTED TO HER LOSS. SO THEY TRIED TO — THEY TRIED A DIFFERENT ROLE FOR HIM. THEY WANTED HIM TO BE MORE PRIVATE. HE WAS DEFINITELY VERY ACTIVE BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT YOU WOULDN’T KNOW AS MUCH. AND I REMEMBER AT THE TIME, DONORS, IN PARTICULAR, WERE SAYING, WHERE IS HE? THEY KIND OF WANTED THAT GLADHANDING THE STUFF THAT BILL , CLINTON DOES SO WELL, AND THAT — THE STUFF THAT SHE DOES NOT DO WELL FRANKLY. HE WAS MISSING FOR A LARGE PART OF THE CAMPAIGN UNTIL THE PRIMARY. THE IOWA CAUCUS. THEY STARTED DOING EVENTS WITH HIM AND THEY KEPT A TIGHT LEASH ON HIM. THEY DIDN’T WANT HIM OUT THERE TALKING. HE DID INTERVIEWS WITH THE PRESS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE HE LOVES THAT ROPE-LINE ATMOSPHERE, SO YOU FOUND THEM DOING A LOT OF THAT. THEY REALLY KEPT THEM ON A TIGHTER LEASH. THE FUNNY PART IS, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE HE IS SPOT ON. HE IS THE ONE WHO IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING. HE SEES BREXIT HAPPENING. HE SEES THAT SOMETHING IS AMISS ON THE CAMPAIGN. HE IS SOUNDING THE ALARM BELLS IN CERTAIN WAYS AND SAYING, HEY, I’M TALKING TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND HERE IN X STATE. SOMETHING IS OFF, AND WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE OF THIS. I THINK HE WAS THE CAMPAIGN KIND OF SAID THAT IS REALLY CUTE AND ALL BUT WE KIND OF HAVE DISCOVERED AND THEY WERE RELYING ON DATA TO SUPPORT THEIR BELIEF THAT THEY HAD THIS, WHEN IN FACT THEY HAD NOT. BLACKMON: IN THE END YOU WANT TO SAY IT IS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND THE FUNKINESS OF THIS THING, , THE FLAWED ALGORITHM OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, OR IF IT WAS RUSSIAN TAMPERING IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT, OR IT WAS BENGHAZI IN THE E-MAIL SERVER, IT IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. ALL OF THOSE VARIABLES, EVEN THOUGH YOU COME DOWN TO THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT IS EFFECTIVELY A ONE-VOTE OUTCOME, BUT WE DON’T — ANY OF THOSE THINGS HAD IT BEEN DIFFERENT OR , EVEN IF THE ELECTION HAD BEEN ONE DAY LATER OR ONE DAY EARLIER, ANY OF THOSE VARIABLES THE TINIEST CHANGE TO THEM MIGHT , VERY WELL HAVE ENDED UP AS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OUTCOME. PARNES: BERNIE SANDERS WAS A BIG ONE. SHE TALKS ABOUT THIS IN AN EXCERPT THAT CAME OUT A COUPLE DAYS AGO. AND WE TALK ABOUT IT A LOT ABOUT IN THE BOOK, BUT HE-AT THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN, THE PRIMARY, HE’S REALLY HAMMERING HER AND MAKING A POINT THAT IT DOES DOVETAIL IN A WAY WITH WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING. HE’S ON THE OTHER SIDE SAYING CROOKED HILLARY, AND BERNIE SANDERS IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN’T TRUST HER. SHE’S IN CAHOOTS WITH THE BIG BANKS. SHE’S, YOU KNOW, DOING ALL THIS STUFF THAT WE DON’T BELIEVE IN. THERE IS A POINT TO BE MADE THERE, TOO, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY TRUMP BROUGHT HOME REPUBLICANS, AND SHE DIDN’T END UP DOING THAT WITH DEMOCRATS. A LOT OF THE BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS STAYED HOME OR VOTED FOR A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE, UH, AND THAT HURT HER AS WELL. ALLEN: ONE OTHER THING TO LOOK AT — TO THINK ABOUT THE , CANDIDATE THAT WAS IN THE NEWS SUFFERED. ON DAYS WERE DONALD TRUMP WAS IN THE MIDST OF THE NEWS HE SUFFERED. WHEN SHE WAS IN THE MIDST OF THE NEWS, SHE SUFFERED, AND THE-THE COMEY STORYLINE PUT HER IN THE FOCUS OF THE NEWS FOR THE LAST-YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE LAST WEEK THAT I DO NOT THINK WAS HELPFUL. BLACKMON: YOU POINT OUT ONE OF THE INTERESTING DETAILS. REPUBLICAN POLLING, OFFICIAL BEHIND-THE-SCENES REPUBLICAN POLLING AT THE VERY END IS ACTUALLY DETECTING THAT IN WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN AND — THEY CONCEAL THAT. YOU CANNOT PUBLICLY REVEAL THAT. PARNES: THEY DID NOT THINK ANYONE WOULD BELIEVE IT. BLACKMON: THERE IS A LINE I THINK YOU QUOTE SOMEBODY SAYING IF WE CAN JUST KEEP — IF WE CAN JUST GET HIM TO SHUT THE HELL UP, YOU KNOW, IF TRUMP WILL JUST KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT, UM, WE MAY HAVE A SURPRISING OUTCOME IN THESE PLACES. EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY, HE-HE-HIM STAYING OUT OF THE NEWS, HER BEING PUSHED INTO THE NEWS, MAYBE IT’S IN THOSE WAYS THAT THE EFFECT IS MOST SUBSTANTIAL. ALLEN: AND HE DID BEHAVE HIMSELF FOR THE LAST WEEK OR SO OF THE CAMPAIGN IN WAYS THAT HE HADN’T PREVIOUSLY. HE WAS A MORE CONTAINED VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP RIGHT AT THE END. I THINK IT’S AMAZING YOU HAVE TWO CA-TWO CAMPAIGNS, TWO SIDES THAT BOTH LOOK AT A CAMPAIGN AT THE END AND THINK TO THEMSELVES, GOD, I HOPE MY CANDIDATE IS NOT IN THE NEWS TODAY. YOU’VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO TELL VOTERS WHY YOU’RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO FOR THEM, AND I THINK HILLARY CLINTON STRUGGLED WITH THAT. THERE WERE A MILLION DIFFERENT POLICIES, UH, BUT I DON’T THINK THAT VOTERS WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT IT WAS SHE WAS SAYING THAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, EVEN SOMETHING SO SIMPLE AS THE SLOGAN I’M WITH HER WAS ABOUT HER, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK CANDIDATES HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY’RE ABOUT. SOME OF IT IS THAT VALUES QUESTION OF WHAT DO THE DEMOCRATS STAND FOR, AND SOME OF IT IS THE FORWARD PROJECTION OF WHAT DO THOSE VALUES MEAN FOR WHAT I’M GOING TO DO FOR YOU, AND THAT WOULD BE THE SORT OF BIG TAKEAWAY. THE OTHER THING IS VERY SIMPLE BASIC IDEA IN POLITICS. BASIC IDEA IN POLITICS. YOU WANT TO WIN A PARTY PRIMARY? , YOU’VE GOT TO BE SOMEBODY WHO CAN BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND AT LEAST PAPER OVER THEIR DIFFERENCES ON MAJOR QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION, YOU’VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING. IN THERE WAS A LOT MORE VOTE 2016 THAN THERE USUALLY IS AGAINST CANDIDATES. BLACKMON JON ALLEN, AMIE PARNES, : THANKS FOR JOINING US. 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78 thoughts on “American Forum: How did Hillary Clinton Snatch Defeat?

  1. Hillary did not "win" anything. The popular vote is meaningless according to the rules set up for a presidential election in the US. In football, it doesn't matter how many yards you run or how many tackles you make. What matters is how many points you score, and you play the game accordingly. Neither Trump nor Hillary campaigned to get the popular vote. They both focused on getting the electoral votes, especially in the swing states. If the US changes the rules, the campaign strategies will change, and then a popular vote might mean something. What would have happened if Trump had actually campaigned in California, instead of writing it off?

  2. Take away just two cities, NYC and L.A. and Clinton does not win the popular vote. That's why the Framers were brilliant in setting up an Electoral College. Otherwise, everyone would just stay home and let NYC and L.A. decide every election.

  3. "The 2020 presidential election is already cranking up."
    Pfff. The Democrats don't have a single realistic candidate.

  4. Wow.. thank you Amie. Thought I was going to have to turn this off immediately… um, what talent does Hillary have? She’s a great liar but has sub-optimal decision making.

  5. James Comey was not questioned about his relationship with Peter Comey in his confirmation hearing. DLA Piper is the firm that performed the independent audit of the Clinton Foundation.' #IAmAndrewBrietbart #IrishRabbi #citizenjournalist
    https://www.congress.gov/crec/2016/09/12/CREC-2016-09-12-pt1-PgH5326-3.pdf

  6. OIG AUDIT: FBI FINANCIAL STATEMENTS UNDER MUELLER PREPARED BY KNOWN CROOKS
    I KNEW as soon as I read this it's probably all made up because Every OIG Report I ever read has Issues:
    "KPMG LLP also issued reports on internal control over financial reporting and on compliance and other matters. The auditors did not identify any material weaknesses, nor did they report any significant deficiencies in the FY 2013" P.3
    All good right? Maybe not. Guess who did Mueller's Audit? KPMG LLP :
    Jan 22, 2018 –
    Six accountants, including three former KPMG partners,
    have been charged with fraud after the audit firm improperly
    received advance notice of inspections by US regulators.
    The accountants at KPMG and
    Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB),
    which regulates auditors in the US, allegedly .
    IF THAT'S not bad enought this very same shyster Auditing firm had been previously convicted of Fraud in 2005 !!
    KPMG to Pay $456 Million for Criminal Violations in Relation
    to Largest-Ever Tax Shelter Fraud Case
    Are we havong fun yet? "KPMG admitted that the opinion letters issued for the FLIP, OPIS, BLIPS and SOS shelters were false and fraudulent in numerous respects." #IAmAndrewBrietbart #PastPredictFuture 9:50 AM 4/8/2018
    http://iamandrewbreitbart.blogspot.com/2018/04/oig-audit-fbi-financial-statements.html

  7. If women voted for Clinton because she was a woman, they were being sexist. So I’d say that any sexism she suffered was balanced by sexism exercised in her favour.

  8. America didnt want marxist/democrats running their country. not hard to fathom. look at N Korea or Venezuela, thats marxism for you….the government is god, people have no rights….

  9. Senior poll officials ( I'm sorry I don't have their names ) reported that Hillary got 1milliom , 800 thousand illegal votes.The 800.thousanf were dead people. If this was investigated it would show that Trump also won the popular vote. They didn't stop there, Romney also beat Obama in the popular vote in 2012.but I guess it doesn't matter now……Trump won , Case closed

  10. CLINTON LOST 30 OF 50 STates — AND she LOST 2600 of 3100 counties — SO fuck the popular vote -she got slaughtered — I NOW LOVE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE — NEVER DID BEFORE THIS ELECTION !!!!!!!

  11. Notice late on election night, no one would call the election for Trump. The media was giving the Dems time to "find" votes for Hillary, but the margin was so big that they couldn't. MAGA!!!!

  12. Democrats were falling apart before the election feud between Obama’s and Clintons. Could be democrats worked against her .

  13. The sixth of November
    Be sure to remember
    Republican treasonous plots.

    I see no reason
    Republican treason
    Should ever be forgot.

  14. The popular vote mostly done in the west Coast where a lot of illegal lives. Still trump crying loud that he was cheated there.If there is really a russian collusion, why she did not contest this for a vote recount. That explain why she did not concede that night.

  15. Hillary lined up everything, superdelegates before the votes were counted, set up the DNC to favor her, had state parties in her favor, delegate math was on her side

    AND SHE STILL LOST HAHAHAHAH

    She acted entitled to my vote, and lost it because she didn't stand up for a fair primary.

  16. How come we never heard about all this backbiting and infighting in the HRC campaign DURING the campaign? I recall lots of stories contrasting the supposed chaos afflicting the Trump campaign with the allegedly smooth-running Clinton machine. Was the Hillary campaign exceptionally successful in concealing this behind-the-scenes upset, or (more likely) did the media simply not report on it?

  17. Being a woman was not the issue. Being a pathological liar is the issue. She has a serious problem being honest and believable. You would think that after being caught in so many lies she might stick to just lying when absolutely necessary and skip the non-essential lies such as being under sniper fire and that kind of bullshit. But she cannot stop lying even about silly things because that is what she is to the very core of her being – a fraud and a liar. So glad we dodged that bullet!

  18. Obama is the Anti-Christ! Hillary is his evil agent! She has no message to the masses! She killed her own campaign!

  19. Regarding Arnie Parnes statement about Bernie voters at about the 22 minute and 20 second mark in the video according to the Washington Post more Bernie Primary voters as a percentage of the whole voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 than Hillary Primary supporters again as a percentage voted for President Obama in 2008.
    Bernie campaigned hard for Hillary and it was very noticeable how much less of a crowd he was drawing after the Democratic nominating convention compared to before Hillary secured the nomination.

    the NPR site has an article titled "Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump" it also mentions that up to 25% of Hillary supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama in 2008 while around 12% of Bernie Primary supporters voted for Trump rather than Hillary.

  20. These two phonies are Leftist insiders and HildaBEAST fornicated. I trashed this book. It’s so biased. It’s a joke. Terrible.

  21. Hard to watch this when they’re lying from the get go. Trump has higher approval roles than Obama did at same point and higher than most.

  22. People saw through the Clintons criminal activities and their promoters "the mainstream news media networks" bias anti-Trump reporting. THANK GOD she lost… JUSTICE SERVED WITH MORE TO COME……

  23. "She should have won because…" Trump was so incompetent, she had the star-power, blah,blah, blah. Here was a man who was on a leading TV show for many years, and who with no political experience beat out 17 other strong Republican candidates for the nomination, but he was incompetent? I don't think that word means what they think it means.

  24. So now we find out that no russian collusion was in play..It’s a big fat excuse people use..She lost because Trump beat that pants off of her.And Trump is going to win by a huge landslide in 2020

  25. Anybody that supports Hillary are sheep and do tesrarch. you lie to much.Trump has as 50% aproval rate.We missed a bullet

  26. Hillary looks down on her subjects, caught in too many lies.I voted for Obama and Bill, she is a sour women

  27. she blamed everyone but her self, she is so fake, seems she doesn't like people, fake a mean smile.Nothing to do with her being a female

  28. He won and she lost. What makes it more delicious for trump is how all the polls and the elite media had her winning. Lol lol

  29. There's a difference between not-voting-for-a-woman and not voting for someone who thinks her sex is her qualification.

  30. If it were all about popular vote, all you have to do is to go to large cities and ignore ALL rural areas. That is why we have the electoral vote. If we were to decide the election to California only… Dems will always win. If we were the decide the election to TX only Reps will always win. Popular vote does not represent the whole electorate community. Please understand that before passing any judgment.

  31. I agree there is a degree of sub-conscious if not clear sexism against a woman candidate. there is an inherent bias. for e.g. I am more impressed by Biden, Sanders than the rest of the candidates even though they maybe as competent if not as popular as them but it is also true that as an candidate you have to get over that. also I get the impression that Clinton hid behind celebrities in her campaign like Obama's, Meryl Streep etc etc. the media was also more in her favor. more than the sexism I think this establishment bias hurt her. It did help her also but it also helped consolidate votes in favor of Donald Trump.

  32. What a load of shit.When you say it was hilarys to win or lose you insult the very people who handed her her defeat.She never was ahead in the polls.Trump filled stadiums to the rafters everywhere he went while hilary had trouble filling a parking lot.The media denied his rally numbers and painted a picture of trump not being able to win.Then when they knew they were wrong they blame everything but themselves.Hilary lost because she was a lying murdering crooked witch who I am so grateful will NEVER EVER sit in the oval office.We may have a woman commander in chief someday but it wont be that WITCH.

  33. Thank GOD for PRESIDENT TRUMP,,,,I would have never known how corrupt politicians we're and are….. Obama started the racism and ism's that are now the Democrats and media and and universities among other disgusting parts of this evil machine,,,, The Clinton's and the Obama's are the deep state that I now see….. TRUMP 2020-2040…..I could care less that she is a woman….

  34. Unfortunately for her commiefornia allowed illegals to vote. That's the only reaaon she got the popular vote. There have been other presidents that lost the popular vote. People just can't handle the fact the she was a poor candidate. After all the shit she got away with from Benghazi to the email issue.

  35. The interviewer is a buffoon. If the emails were so damn " innocuous ", then why did Hildabeest DESTROY 33,000 of them ??? Get outta here with that crazy talk !!!

  36. ONE MORE THING! IN ALL OF obamas time as president DID HE EVER ATTEMPT TO HELP this PLANETs oceans recover from FUKUSHIMA. DID HE? ANSWER MY QUESTION??? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THAT IS WHAT hillary and obamaa thinks about you the we the people!!!!!!!!!!!!

  37. HRC outspent Trump five-to-one.
    She outstaffed him eight-to-one.
    She had the endorsements of every major media outlet — and virtually every small one.
    She had the support of corporate America, Wall Street and Hollywood.
    She had the full support of her own party (and even Bernie — whom she screwed).
    Most of the republican party wanted Trump to step down.
    She had the full support of big tech.
    She had the political background; he never served in any office, or the military.
    She spoke like the contrived politician she is; Trump said what was on his mind.
    Every poll showed her winning by more than the statistical error.
    But, make no mistake: The RIGHT candidate won the election.
    If this wasn't an act of God, I don't know what is.

  38. Watching this from the UK, I notice that American English is not the same as UK English. The USA is after all a foreign country with its own language.

  39. WHAT talent? the bitch had done nothing other than sell out our interests to whomever bid highest. She's a complete pos and so is anyone who'd vote for her.

  40. Hillary is a clinical sociopath her every action shows it. I'm well versed in the area and she is the only political person I have a 99% rating on. Her actions after the elections are all about her and the blaming of others is a nice incite into her mind.

  41. Why did they so badly want that woman and what was it about Obama that they loved him so much? What had he done for them and what was Hilary going to do for them? What had any of them, both democrats and republicans done to benefit their people in the past? All I saw was that America was almost finished and the suffering was just as widespread and getting worse as in mine and used to say to people, "if we can,t look up to America, who can we look up to"? It felt like America had become just like any other little, no consequence country, as full of the same rottenness as here. I watch America because it shows me what goes on here in mine.

  42. No one in either party ever says the truth about the server, the elephant in the room, which many of my friends all agree that 100% the reason for the secret server, channeling 98% of all her work emails were hidden to hide the corruption of treason by way of "PAY TO PLAY BRIBERY AND THE SELLING OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, EVEN TO OUR BIGGEST ENEMIES, CHINA, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, UK, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA, and she needed to kill Khadafi because he refused to pay her off. $140 million for our Uranium to Russia was the most treasonous and the cash sent to Iran, which the pallets of cash included over $500 million for Obama and his administration to divi up. Obama wasn't African American either, he was Kenyan which he states himself on video in an interview. She sold us to Goldman Sachs and Wall St. and roughly 200 other countries and entities. The most horrific crime was the human suffering she inflicted on a nation already suffering more than any nation on earth, and she compounded it with Billy the crook by putting him in charge of all the money donated world wide including the Red Cross who turned over all their donations, and Australia, UK, Saudi Arabia, Germany and the entire EU all had the money (Over $2 billion) routed to the criminal fraud Clinton Foundation, and turned over less than >>….5% that's point 5 percent, or 1/2 of 1 percent to the Hatian people, who if she is ever found to be indicted, which she won't because if she is exposed, politicians on both sides and the alphabet agencies are all involved in the rampant corruption, known as the SWAMP. And the Media was also bribed with the money she stole/had donated to the fraud foundation, and what is estimated at over $10 billion.

  43. She's a phoney and a fraud. Said she's FOR Women but defends her rapist husband, She couldn't run on her record because she failed at everything…Obama care…Terrible…Benghazi..
    Hurtful and horrible…leaving Americans to die and then, more or less saying, so what!! She had no record to run on so all she did was put down Trump. A person running for president is supposed to be so for ALL THE PEOPLE!!! She put down everyone who wasn't for her…You call THAT presidential???

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