The Baker Forum 2018

The Baker Forum 2018


>>HATE CANNOT DRIVE OUT HATE,
ONLY LOVE CAN DO THAT. SO PLEASE WELCOME DR. DELEON.
(APPLAUSE). >>THANK YOU, PRESIDENT
ARMSTRONG. I WANT TO WELCOME ALL OF YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR
CHOOSING TO BE HERE TODAY FOR THIS REALLY IMPORTANT DIALOGUE.
I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL THANK PRESIDENT ARMSTRONG FOR HIS
COMMITMENT TO CHANGE BY SUPPORTING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
SEE OURSELVES THROUGH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TODAY.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MORE CRIT CRIMINAL TIME — CRITICAL TIME FOR HAVING THE
DIALOGUE WE ARE HAVING NOW. IN MANY WAYS, IT IS VERY OVERDUE.
CAL POLY AND ALL OF US ARE COMMITTED TO AN ACTIONABLE PLAN
THAT WILL INVOLVE US BEYOND THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE TODAY. I WANT TO THANK
THE PANELISTS WHOSE PERSPECTIVES ARE OF UPMOST IMPORTANCE WHOSE
AWARENESS WILL GUIDE APPROPRIATE ACTION. I WOULD LIKE TO
INTRODUCE THE PANELISTS.
IF THEY COULD STAND UP, ELANI PALAY, ETHICS STUDENT.
PRISCILLA VARO, PROFESSOR OF ETHICS STUDY.
BRYAN HUVANE, ASSISTANT DEAN OF STUDENTS AND DIRECTOR OF THE
CROSS-CULTURAL CENTERS. HEIDI HARMON, MAYOR, SAN LOIS
OBISPO. STAN YOSHINOGU, PROFESSOR OF
MATHEMATICS. PATRICK LIN, PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THESE AREAL REALLY COURAGEOUS
VOICES WE WILL BE LISTENING TO TODAY. WITHOUT THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO LISTEN AND REFLECT ON THEIR PERSPECTIVES,
AND HOPEFULLY LEARN SOMETHING FROM WHAT THEY HAVE TO TELL US.
MOST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE YOUNG LADY TO MY LEFT,
KIMBERLY SMITH. SHE HAS BEEN ON OUR CAMPUS NOW FOR TWO DAYS,
YESTERDAY AND TODAY. SHE HAS BEEN LEADING US IN SOME
VERY IMPORTANT SOUL-SEARCHING, REFLECTING, DIGGING, TALKING,
CREATING AN UNDERSTANDING AND, MOST OF ALL, LISTENING. SHE
COMES TO US FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA-WILMINGTON,
WHERE HER WORK IS TO GUIDE HER CAMPUS TO CREATE THE KIND OF
CHANGE THAT WE’RE SEEKING.
NONE OF US HAVE IT RIGHT, NONE OF US HAVE IT PERFECT. WE ARE
ALL STRIVING TO GET BETTER. CAL POLY IS STRIVING TO GET
BETTER. WITH ALL OF OUR INVOLVEMENT, WE WILL GET THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
(APPLAUSE). >>THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE
INVITATION TO COME TO CAL POLY AND SHARE THIS TIME WITH YOU
ALL. WE ARE ALL HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY, AND FOR THE PAST
COUPLE OF DAYS. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS
THAT I WANT TO START OUT WITH IS THIS COLLECTIVE ON
THE STAGE, IN THIS ROOM, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THE
LIVE FEED, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR
ATTENTION AND YOUR ENGAGEMENT. MOVEMENT FORWARD IS WHAT MY WORK
IS ABOUT AT UNC WILMINGTON, AND IT IS WHAT MY WORK WILL BE ABOUT
HERE AT CAL POLY, AND ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE, AND I DON’T
KNOW MANY THINGS FOR SURE, BUT ONE THING I KNOW ABOUT RIGHTS,
CIVIL RIGHTS, EQUITY, AND EVERYTHING UNDER THAT UMBRELLA,
IS THAT NONE OF IT HAS EVER HAPPENED WITH ONE POPULATION,
JUST LIKE IT DOESN’T FALL APART, THROUGH ONE POPULATION, PULLING
IT BACK TOGETHER AND MAKING IT STRONGER DOES NOT HAPPEN BY ONE
POPULATION. WE REMEMBER THE CIVIL RIGHTS
MOVEMENT. SOME OF US WERE BORN DURING THAT TIME.
AND I KNOW THE FACES. I KNOW THE RACES THAT
WERE INVOLVED IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN. SO, BY NO STRETCH OF
THE IMAGINATION, AM I COMING TO THIS ENVIRONMENT AS A PERSON OF
COLOR THINKING THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE
THE FOOT SOLDIERS IN WINNING THIS BACK, WINNING BACK CAL POLY AND MAKING
IT STRONG AND BETTER FOR EVERYONE WHO CHOOSES TO COME
HERE. THAT’S THE INTERESTING STUDENT.
STUDENTS CHOOSE TO AM COME TO UNIVERSITIES. THERE’S A FREEDOM
IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WE ENJOY, THAT SOMETIMES I THINK, ALL OF
US KIND OF TAKE FOR GRANTED.
SHE CHOOSE TO BE HERE, HER PEERS CHOSE TO BE HERE, THE PEOPLE
WORKING HERE CHOSE TO BE HERE AND, IN CHOOSING THIS, THERE HAD
TO BE SOMETHING THAT DREW YOU ALL. AND RE-IDENTIFYING THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO. MY WORK HERE IS NOT GOING
TO CULMINATE TODAY IN THIS EVENT. I WILL GO BACK TO NORTH
CAROLINA, BUT MY WORK IS JUST BEGINNING. THE COLLECTIVE WORK
IS JUST BEGINNING. PREPARING TO COME TO CRRBS CAL POLY, MY CITY WAS ALL
ABUZZ FOR A FEW REASONS, I’LL TELL YOU WHY. I LIVE IN A CITY
IN NORTH CAROLINA CALLED WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA. IT
IS A SEASIDE CITY, WE LIVE ON THE COAST. IT IS A SITE, IF YOU
HAVE SPARE TIME AND YOU WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I’M FROM AND
WHAT IT IS LIKE WHERE I’M FROM, I CAN TELL YOU IT IS VERY
SIMILAR, THE ENVIRONMENT IS VERY SIMILAR.
THE CITY MAKEUP IS VERY SIMILAR. AND IT IS THE SITE OF THE ONLY SUCCESSFUL COUP D’ETAT IN THIS
COUNTRY. WHAT IS THAT? IN 1898, THE ENTIRE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE
ENTIRE POWER STRUCTURE, COMMERCE, EVERYTHING IN
WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA, IT WAS A MECCA FOR PEOPLE FROM UP
NORTH THAT WERE FREE, AND WANTED TO PROSPER. SO THE ENTIRE CITY
WAS RUN BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN 1898. AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LIKE FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT PEOPLE OF
COLOR IN THOSE TIMES. AND YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THOSE TIMES
WERE LIKE IN THOSE YEARS AS IT RELATES TO RACE.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT, ON NOVEMBER 10, IN 1898, IN
WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA ENERGY, THERE WAS A MASSACRE OF
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN POWER.
AND THOSE SEEDS WERE PLANTED IN OUR CITY, AND WE KNOW WHAT
HAPPENS TO SEEDS. THEY ROOT, THEY GROW, AND THEY TAKE OVER
WHEREVER THEY ARE. AND SO, INSIDE OUR CITY, WE HAVE THAT
KIND OF LEGACY AS IT RELATES TO RACE. SO WE FIND OUR OWN
COMMUNITY BATTLES QUITE A BIT. SO I’M, UNFORTUNATELY, IN VERY FAMILIAR TERRITORY.
BUT, WITH THAT SAID, I’M GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL WORDS.
FORWARD MOVEMENT. WE DO IT EVERY DAY IN WILMINGTON. WHAT
WE DECIDED AS A CITY AND WE HOPE WE CONTINUE TO DO ON OUR CAMPUS
AT UNC WILL WILMINGTON, AND WHAT I HOPE
YOU WILL DO WITH ME AND EVERYONE THAT HAS THEIR HANDS IN THESE
MOVEMENTS OF CHANGE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO COUNT THE TIMES WE FALL
DOWN, OR WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT AND TALK ABOUT IT, WE HAVE TO
BREAK IT DOWN, WE HAVE TO DISSECT IT.
WE’RE NOT GOING TO STAY THERE, OR COUNT THE TIMES WE FALL DOWN,
WE ARE GOING TO COUNT THE TIMES WE GET UP. SO CAL POLY, ONE
MORE TIME, IT IS TIME TO GET UP. IT IS TIME TO GET UP.
I WILL TELL YOU A REPORTER WE TOLD FROM OUR LOCAL AFFILIATE IN
WILL WILMINGTON BECAUSE, LIKE I TOLD YOU, THE CITY IS ABUZZ WITH
MY TRIP TO THIS PLACE AND THIS SPACE. THE REPORTER ASKED ME,
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES? SHE DID NOT SAY, WHY
IS THIS HAPPENING AT CAL POLY? SHE SAID, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING
ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES? THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE TOO YOUNG.
I COME FROM AN ERA WHERE I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I GET IT.
AND I KNOW WHY WE FOUGHT THOSE BATTLES, I THOUGHT WE WOULD
NEVER RE-VISIT SOME OF THOSE TIMES. AND WHAT I TOLD HER IS
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY TAUGHT. NONE OF
US COME INTO THIS WORLDATE HATING ANYBODY, PLANNING TO TRANSGRESS AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE.
WE ARE READY AND NEW FOR THE WORLD, AND WE DON’T KNOW WHERE
WE ARE UNTIL SOMEBODY INFORMS US. YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY
TAUGHT. AND LET ME TELL YOU HOW INSIDIOUS RACISM IS, SEXISM IS, ALL OF THE
ISMS. LET ME TELL YOU HOW INSIDIOUS
THOSE THINGS ARE. THEY ARE IN IT BEFORE YOU CAN THINK FOR
YOURSELF. AGAIN, THEY ARE SEEDS. THEY TAKE ROOT. IF YOU
CULTIVATE THEM, THEY WILL GROW.
LIKE ANYTHING YOU ARE TAUGHT, YOU CAN UNLEARN. THAT IS A
DECISION. AND NOW, HAVING THOSE THINGS PLACED INSIDE OF YOU, WHETHER IT IS BY
YOUR FAMILY OF ORIGIN, YOUR EXPOSURESEXPOSURES, IT IS IN
THERE. AND I ALSO SAID IN THAT
INTERVIEW, THERE ARE FAMILIES OF ORIGIN, NO MATTER THE
BACKGROUND, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE FAMILIES OF ORIGIN WHO HAND DOWN THESE
NOTIONS TO THEIR YOUNG, LIKE FAMILY LY JEWELS, AND LAND, THIS LEGACY. THAT’S HOW IT HAPPENS, AND WHEN
THIS HAPPENS ON YOUR CAMPUS, OR YOUR CITY, THE LAST THING YOU
WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT MAKES THEM DO THIS. YOU WANT TO KNOW
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING
TO DO ABOUT IT. BUT I CHALLENGE THE CAMPUS AND COMMUNITY TO
SPEND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME HELPING EACH OTHER
UNLEARN WHAT SO HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY INSTILLED.
SO AS I TAKE A JOURNEY, I’M COMMITTING TO CAL POLY FOR THE
VERY LEAST, 6 MONTHS, TO WALK THIS ROAD AND TO HELP YOU
DEVELOP A MOVEMENT AND TO HELP YOU HEAL SOME OF THIS PAIN,
PAIN, THAT’S A — THAT’S A WORD I WANT TO TOUCH ON AS WELL. I’M
GOING TO USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I DON’T LIKE TO
PUT ANYONE ELSE ON THE SPOT. WHERE I WILL USE KIMBERLY AS AN
EXAMPLE. WHEN I HAVE BEEN HURT, THIS IS MY NATURE. MY PAIN, I
DON’T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE IS IN THE ROOM THAT IS LIKE ME. MY
PAIN CAN MANIFEST AS ANGER. ANYONE ELSE LIKE THAT?
WHEN I’M HURTING SOMETIMES, YOU THINK I’M ANGRY, AND SOMETIMES
I’M BOTH. BUT, MOST OF THE TIME, THE FOUNDATION MAY BE
ANGER, BUT WHAT SEEKS UP TO THE TOP AND COMES OUT OF ME IS PAIN.
SO I DARE SAY THAT THIS CAMPUS IS IN PAIN. IT IS A LOT OF
PAIN. AND IT IS FUELED — I’M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY SOME
THINGS TO YOU. IT IS FUELED BY IGNORANCE, IT IS FUELED BY LACK
OF EXPOSURE, IT IS SO INTERESTING TO ME. THE ERA MY
PARENTS GROW UP IN, THEY WERE NOT EXPOSED TO EACH OTHER IN
DIFFERENT RACES AND DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES AND RELIGIONS, YOU
STAYED IN THE POCKET AND WHERE YOU THOUGHT YOU BELONGED.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CULPRITS THAT I BELIEVE IS AT PLAY HERE.
WE THOUGHT THOSE TIMES WERE DONE, THEY ARE NOT DONE.
WE STILL DO IT. WE GO TO THE ROAD OF LEAST
RESISTANCE. WE GO WHERE WE ARE COMFORTABLE, SO WHAT WE END UP
WITH IS A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WITH NO EXPOSURE OUTSIDE THEIR
COMFORT ZONES. SO I DEVELOPED, IN THE WORK THAT
I DO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A PHRASE THAT I USE CONSISTENTLY,
CONSTANTLY: I’M GOING TO SHARE IT WITH YOU. I SHARED IT ON
CAMPUS IN A FEW SESSIONS. LET ME LET YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK.
EXPOSURE TO ANYTHING IS EVERYTHING. AND THE LACK
THEREOF IS THE SAME.
ARE YOU WITH ME, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? EXPOSURE TO
ANYTHING IS EVERYTHING, AND THE LACK THEREOF IS THE SAME. IF
YOU ARE NOT EXPOSED TO PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME AND, QUITE
FRANKLY, I WILL LET YOU IN ON A SECRET YOU MAY NOT KNOW. WHAT
YOU SEE STANDING BEFORE YOU DOES NOT TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT WHO
I AM. IT IS THE LEAST OF WHO I’M. THIS, WHERE I WILL HAVE
TO LET GO OF ONE DAY. I AM JUST USING THIS RIGHT NOW. I’M
TRYING TO USE IT WELL.
(LAUGHTER). (APPLAUSE).
>>BUT IT IS THE LEAST OF WHO I AM. ALL OF MY COMPONENTS OF
IDENTITY YOU CANNOT SEE FROM THE INSIDE OUT SHOULD MATTER TO YOU.
YOURS MATTER TO ME.
WHAT WE DO IS MAKE QUICK DECISIONS ON SIGHT, THAT IS NOT FAMILIAR
TO ME, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I’M USED TO, I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING
IN COMMON WITH IT. SO WE DISCARD BEFORE WE DIS ECT.
SO I’M GOING TO MAKE THIS MY LIFE’S MISSION. I WILL DIE
DOING THIS. ALL RIGHT? I AM. I AM IN A BUSINESS THAT I WANT
SO DESPERATELY TO BE PUT OUT OF. I WANT US TO GET IT, SO THAT
THERE IS NO NEED FOR A KIMBERLY, NOT TRYING TO TAKE YOUR JOB,
JOSIE, SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR A JOSIE. WE NEED TO GET THIS. I
DON’T KNOW THAT WE WILL IN MY LIFETIME. I HOPE THAT WE DO.
SO TODAY IS THE START OF A MOVEMENT. TODAY IS THE START
OF SOME UNLEARNING. AND, ONE MORE THING THAT I’M GOING TO
IMPOSE INTO THIS CONVERSATION AND THIS SITUATION IS A PHRASE
THAT I LIKE TO USE ON MY CAMPUS, YOU HAVE HEARD THAT PHRASE, “THE
RACE CARD.” EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THIS SITUATION AND THIS
VIBRATION THAT HAS TAKEN OVER YOUR CAMPUS IS WELL BEYOND RACE,
WE KNOW THOSE PROBLEMS EXIST. BUT PEOPLE USE THAT TERM, THE
RACE CARD. WHEN PEOPLE ARE HURTING AND ANGRY, WE KNOW THAT
WE HAVE IT ON THIS CAMPUS, I HAVE IT ON MINE, WE DON’T THINK
ABOUT GRACE. WE DON’T THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE GET EACH OTHER
AND ENGAGED AND INVOLVED. ONLY WAY WE’RE GOING TO DO IT IS
BY HURTING THROUGH IT, THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO
PEOPLE IS A STORY. SO I WILL CHALLENGE PEOPLE WHO NEVER
ENGAUGE GAUGE TO DO IT. I WANT TO USE THE GRACE CARD, INSTEAD
OF ANY OTHER CARD. ONCE WE ALLOW OUR EMOTIONS TO
SIT IN THE BACK-SEAT, I’M NOT TELLING YOU NOT TO PUT THEM IN
THE CAR AND LET THEM DRIVE, PUT THEM IN ALL-WHEEL DRIVE, DOES
THAT MAKE SENSE? THOSE EMOTIONS CAN BE FUELED WITH IF GOOD FUEL
AND CAN TAKE YOU PLACES IF YOU LET IT. BUT YOU HAVE TO ROLE
CONTROL IT, AND NOT ALLOW IT TO CONTROL YOU. I’M PROUD OF THE
STUDENTS WHO CAME TO THE FORUM, TO THE MIX-UP YESTERDAY. AND
WELL INTO THE MIXER, I FOUND A LOT OF IT WAS MANDATED. I
THOUGHT THAT WAS FABULOUS, I THOUGHT YOU ALL SHOWED UP.
MY BAD. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT ROOM
WAS SOME CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE. THAT MEANS I MADE YOU DO IT. I
MADE YOU DO IT ANYWAY. SO I’M INVITING EVERYONE ELSE TO
THE TABLE. IT IS EASY NOT TO SHOW UP, AND EASY TO BE PISSED
OFF AND SAY, FORGET IT.
THAT’S THE EASY THING TO DO. I’M INVITING YOU TO LEAN INTO
THIS DISCOMFORT, LEAN INTO THIS ANGER, AND LEAD INTO THIS
BREACH, LEAD INTO CHANGE.
A YOUNG MAN SAID IN THE FORUM YESTERDAY TO A YOUNG WOMAN
WOMAN, I WAS WORKING WITH THEM, I WILL USE YOUNG PEOPLE’S
TERMINOLOGY, SO THINGS WOULDN’T POP OFF. I WAS FACILITATING
THAT. AND THE YOUNG MAN SAID TO THE YOUNG WOMAN, I’M SORRY, I
DON’T TALK TO PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW. AND SHE SAID TO HIM,
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WALK PAST ME IN THE SKIN I’M IN, AND THEY
DON’T TALK TO ME, BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW ME.
SOMETIMES I DON’T FEEL WELCOME, BECAUSE THEY LOOK AWAY, THEY
LOOK AT ME AND WALK RIGHT PAST ME. HE SAID, YOU CANNOT BLAME
ME OR SAY IT IS YOUR RACE. I DON’T TALK TO PEOPLE I DON’T
KNOW. WELL, LET’S TRY THAT. LET’S TRY
THAT. ANOTHER STUDENT I’M GOING TO
MENTION, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD, I DON’T WANT TO BE A
TALKING HEAD TO YOU ALL, I WANT TO HEAR YOUR VOICES. A YOUNG
WOMAN CAME UP TO ME AFTER THE STUDENT FORUM YESTERDAY, AND IF
YOU GOOGLE SEARCH ALL-AMERICAN GIRL, THAT’S WHAT SHE LOOKED AT.
BLOND HAIR, BLUE EYES, PRETTY GIRL BY THE STANDARDS WE MEASURE
IN THIS COUNTRY. AND SHE SAID TO ME, IN TEARS, LOCKED AND
LOADED RIGHT HERE, THE FIRST WORD SHE IS GOING TO SAY, IT IS
OVER. SHE IS READY. SHE SAID, WHEN PEOPLE SEE ME, I KNOW THEY
DON’T SEE AN OUTLIER. BUT I WANT TO BE ONE. TEARS RUNNING.
SHE SAID, I LOOK LIKE WHAT THEY THINK I AM, AND I’M
NOT. I’M CLOSER TO BEING ONE OF THEM,
AND THEY DON’T KNOW IT, BECAUSE I DON’T LOOK LIKE IT. IF WE’RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE
GOTTA GET OUT OF OUR OWN WAY. WE GOTTA SWALLOW SOME PRIDE. WE GOTTA KICK EGO OUT OF THE CAR.
EGO CANNOT DRIVE. EMOTIONS CANNOT DRIVE. IT HAS COST A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT QUITE A BIT. I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THAT’S A REAL THING. AND AS I SAID WITH THE
STUDENTS YESTERDAY, MOST PEOPLE WANT YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU
ARE DEALING WITH. IF YOU START WITH AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, YOU
DON’T KNOW WHERE THEY WILL TAKE YOU. YOU CANNOT BE READY TO
SAY, THAT NOT TRUE. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE SKIN THEY’RE IN.
JUST LIKE, HOW WOULD I KNOW WHAT THE ALL-AMERICAN GIRL WHO WAS
TALKING TO ME GOES THROUGH WHEN SHE IS WANTING TO BE BRAVE
ENOUGH TO WALK UP TO SOMEONE THAT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE HER.
IT IS GOING TO COST EVERYBODY OVER THE YEAR. IT IS GOING TO
COST EVERYBODY OUT THERE. BUT IT IS WORTH IT. IF WE DON’T
START TAKING THIS ON, IT IS GOING TO TAKE US OVER.
AND THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD.
SO, IN CLOSING, THE INVITATION IS EXTENDED TO YOU ALL AND TO
EVERYONE THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN REACH OUT TO WHO IS NOT IN
THIS ROOM TODAY, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS REMOTELY.
AS WE BEGIN TO DEVELOP THIS ROAD, THIS JOURNJOURNEY, TO OCTOBER.
I CHOSE OCTOBER, A SIX-MONTH SPAN, BECAUSE OCTOBER 1, 1901,
CAL POLY WAS BORN. IT IS A RE-BIRTH, IT IS TIME. IT IS
TIME. TELL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW
THAT WE’RE ABOUT TO START A JOURNEY, AND THAT WE NEED THEM,
AND WE WANT THEM. STEP OUTSIDE YOUR COMFORT ZONES,
START ENGAGING WITH YOUR PEERS. DON’T LET FEAR DRIVE YOU. BE
AFRAID OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF YOU DON’T DO THAT.
THE WAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK TODAY IS THESE NUMBERS ARE
HERE, AND WE WANT YOU ALL TO POSE QUESTIONS FOR THE PANELISTS
BY TEXTING. SO YOU CAN READ THEM, THE LIMITATIONS. 160
CHARACTERS, IF YOU EMAIL THEM, THEY ARE 250 CHARACTERS. THAT’S
HOW WE ARE GOING TO GENERATE YOUR QUESTIONS. WE WOULD LOVE
YOU TO COME TO THE MIC, BUT IT IS HARD TO ENGAGE WITH PAPER AND
PEN IN A ROOM LIKE THIS. GET ON YOUR PHONE. THAT’S THE ONE PART
ABOUT OUR LIVES AND TIME, MOST EVERYONE HAS A CELL PHONE OR A
DEVICE WITH THEM. SO CONJURE THOSE QUESTIONS, AND POST THOSE
QUESTIONS, MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE
GOING TO BE FED TO ME THROUGH PEOPLE BACKSTAGE.
AND, WHILE WE’RE WAITING FOR YOU ALL TO DO THAT, I’M SERIOUS
ABOUT THAT, THAT ANONYMITY IS ALSO A TOOL BY WHICH YOU CAN GET
REALLY BRAVE AND ASK REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, IN ANONYMITY. SO DO THAT, PLEASE.
AS WE WAIT FOR THE QUESTIONS TO BE GENERATED, I’M GOING TO
ENGAGE OUR PANELISTS AND THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A LOOK
INSIDE WHERE THEY ARE WITH WHAT’S GOING
ON. ARE YOU READY? AWESOME.
(APPLAUSE). >>EACH OF YOU WILL HAVE A
CONCISE AMOUNT OF TIME, BE RESPECTFUL OF TIME AND EACH
OTHER, TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. HAD WHEN THE
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE WHEN IN, I WILL READ THEM AND YOU CAN
CHOOSE WHICH QUESTIONS YOU ASK, OR ANSWER, TOO. AND THIS WE
NEED TO SPEND A MOMENT ON, THE FIRST THREE QUESTIONS.
WHY DOES IS THIS SUBJECT MATTER IMPORTANT TO YOU AS A
MUSTANG AND AS A HUMAN BEING? WHY IS THIS WHAT WE ARE GOING
THROUGH AND DISCUSSING IMPORTANT TO YOU? WE WILL START.
>>SO, FOR ME, OBVIOUSLY, I’M A CAL
POLY STUDENT. SO THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THIS CAMPUS AND
THE WAYS THAT THIS CAMPUS IS RUN AFFECT MY DAY-TO-DAY LIFE AND
WILL AFFECT THE DURATION OF MY FOUR YEARS HERE.
I HAVE A STAKE IN THAT, AND ALSO THE IDENTITIES THAT I HAVE
AND THE PEOPLE THAT I INTERACT WITH AND THE SPACES I OCCUPY ARE
ALL AFFECTED BY THESE THINGS, WHETHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
SO, FOR ME TO NOT ENGAGE WITH THESE TOPICS, AND TO UNSETTLE
THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALLOWING BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN WOULD BE A
DISSERVICE FOR MYSELF AND A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT.
>>THANK YOU. JOSE? >>I’M A FACULTY MEMBER HERE ON
CAMPUS. AND SO I SUPPOSE THAT, THERE’S A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO MORE, AND
THAT’S A BASELINE. AND PERSONALLY, I’M INVESTED IN
THESE ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE QUESTION OF RACISM THAT AFFECTSP
STUDENTS AND FACULTY. IF WE AND LEARN FROM HISTORY, LIKE BROWN V. BOARD, OR FROM THE THREE
CASES, WE LEARN THAT RACISM AFFECTS STUDENTS AND FACULTY.
AT ITS CORE, IT IS ABOUT POWER, IT IS USING A SUPERFICIAL
DIFFERENCE ON RACE TO CONCENTRATE POWER AND EXPLOITING
THOSE WHO ARE DIFFERENT. AND, SO WHAT THAT TEACHES US AT
LEAST IS THAT YOU NEED TO NOT ONLY DIVERSIFY THE STUDENTS FOR
THEIR OWN GOOD, IT FOR ALL OF THEIR DIVERSITY, BUT ALSO
DIVERSIFYING THE FACULTY. SO THE ONE THING BROWN DIDN’T
REALLY ATTEND TO IS THAT IT DIVERSIFIED THE STUDENT BODIES
OF MANY SCHOOLS, BUT NOT THE FACULTY. AND THE WAY THAT
UNIVERSITIES ARE RUN, THE FACULTY HAVE A SAY AND POWER.
THAT IS ONE WAY TO ATTEND TO THE INEQUITIES PRODUCED BY RACE AND
RACISM IS TO GIVE FOLKS MORE POWER, POWER SHARING. THAT’S
WHAT EQUITY LOOKS LIKE, AND NOT JUST EQUALITY. AND THAT’S WHAT
I’M INVESTED IN, AND THINKING ABOUT THESE WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE
EQUITABLE PLACE TO DEAL WITH THE QUESTIONS OF RACISM IS TO DEAL
WITH THE QUESTION OF POWER. AND ASKING SOME TO GIVE THAT UP,
FOR SOME, THAT IS PAINFUL. SO THAT’S WHERE I’M IN TERMS OF
AS A UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR, I’M INTERESTED IN THESE, I HAVE
THESE EDUCATIONAL INTERESTS AND PEDAGOGICAL AIMS, BUT I HAVE
OTHERS AS WELL. WHEN I CAME TO CAL POLY, I WAS IN THE ENGLISH
DEPARTMENT. AND IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TENURE TRACK
FACULTY AND LECTURERS, WE HAVE 65 TO 70 PEOPLE. AND OF THOSE
60 TO 70 PEOPLE, ONLY TWO OF US WERE FACULTY MEMBERS OF COLOR.
THE CURRICULUM WAS NOT DIVERSE, THE FACULTY IS NOT DIVERSE. IT
BECOMES DIFFICULT TO SNEAK UP IN THOSE SETTINGS AND CALL PEOPLE
ON THEIR RACISM AND SEXISM WHEN YOU WANT THEM TO. THIS IS ABOUT
MORE AND POWER SHARING AND PEOPLE AT THE TABLE, AND IT IS A
DIFFICULT PLACE TO BE. SO THAT’S MY PERSONAL — SO I HAVE
EDUCATIONAL INTERESTS AND PERSONAL INTERESTS IN ADDRESSING
THESE ISSUES. >>THANK YOU, JOSE. BRIAN?
>>HI, EVERYONE. SO I WANT TO SEE TRUE CHANGE
HAPPEN. AND REALLY, THIS TOPIC IS
IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE, AND THIS MIGHT REALLY SOUND CHEESY,
BUT I DO WANT TO SEE WORLD PEACE, NO MATTER HOW CHEESY THAT
SOUNDS. AS HUMAN BEINGS, WE HURT EACH OTHER VERY BAD,
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DON’T KNOW EACH OTHER, WE HURT EACH OTHER
REALLY BAD. AND I WANT US TO REALLY GET TO THAT CHANGE WHERE
WE CHANGE THE WAY WE TREAT EACH OTHER, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT
MAKES A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, THAT INCIDENT, I FEEL
LIKE WE LEAVE OUT A CORRELATION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING
MARGINALIZED, AND THAT RESULTS IN EXPERIENCING
RACISM, SEXISM, OPHOBIA HOMOPHOBIA, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IT WAS NOT JUST YESTERDAY, A FEW WEEKS AGO, OR TWO YEARS AGO,
THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING. SO I WANT TO SEE SOME OF THAT CHANGE,
AND IT REALLY GETS ME INTO THE WORK THAT I’M DOING, WHERE I’M
DOING THIS WORK FOR PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME, AND FOR PEOPLE
THAT ARE MARGINALIZED AND TREATED DIFFERENTLY, AND THERE’S
NO REASON FOR THAT, NO TRUER REASON. I WANT TO UNPACK THAT
WITH THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH, AND THAT’S WHY I DO THAT
WORK, EVEN AS A PRACETITIONER, EVEN AS A RESEARCHER, AND EVEN
AS AN EDGE CAUGHT EDUCATOR, THAT’S WHY I DO THIS WORK.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN SPEAKING IN THE HERE
AND NOW IS I FELL — FEEL LIKE WE LET OUR STUDENTS
DOWN. AND THAT DOES NOT SIT RIGHT WITH ME, AND I TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. IN A LOT OF CASES I FEEL LIKE I COULD
SPEAK UP, BUT I CHOOSE TO BE SILENT. RIGHT NOW, I’M BEING
REMINDED OF WHY I GOT INTO THIS WORK TO REALLY PUSH THROUGH SOME
OF THOSE BARRIERS AND TO REALLY CREATE ACCESS FOR STUDENTS OF
COLOR SPECIFICALLY, BUT REALLY ALL UNDERREPRESENTED STUDENTS.
>>THANK YOU, HEIDI? >>THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>I WANTED TO GROUND US IN THE SPACE WE ARE IN NOW AND START
WITH THE GRATITUDE FOR THE SHUMASH PEOPLE WHOSE LAND WE ARE
ON IN THIS COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF SAN LOIS OBISPO. THIS IS
ABOUT ADDRESSING THE INJUSTICE OF WHITE SUPREMACY AND WHITE
COLONIALISM. I’M GRATEFUL TO BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE CAMPUS OF CAL POLY, THIS IS A
NATIONAL ISSUE, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE AN
OBLIGATION TO THE CITY. AND MANY OF OUR FACULTY AND
STAFF ARE RESIDENTS OF SAN LOIS OBISPO, AND I AM WORKING ON THIS
TO ADDRESS THIS AND MOVE FORWARD IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY.
AND I’M HERE TODAY AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE WHEN
PARENTS OF STUDENTS OF COLOR THAT ARE CONSIDERING COMING TO
CAL POLY CALL MY OFFICE AND ASK ME, DO I THINK IT IS SAFE FOR
THEIR STUDENTS TO COME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THAT ANSWER IS YES. >>THANK YOU, STAN? >>THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
ISSUE FOR ME ON THIS CAMPUS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT THE
WORLD I WANT TO LIVE IN, THIS NOT THE CAMPUS THAN — THAT
STUDENTS DESERVE. WE HAVE MAJOR SYSTEMIC CAMPUS CLIMATE
PROBLEMS, AND THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS — SO THING SO THINK ABOUT THIS. THOUSANDS
OF STUDENTS, FACULTY, AND STAFF DAILY. IT IS NOT BIG INCIDENTS,
IT IS A DAILY THING. THAT IS NOT OKAY, THAT’S WHY THIS IS SO
IMPORTANT TO ME. >>THANK YOU, PATRICK?
>>I’M PATRICK WILLIAM, I’M A PHILOSOPHY PROFESSOR HERE, I
TEACH POLITICAL ETHICS AND PHILOSOPHY OF LAW, AND THAT
MEANS I’M INTERESTED IN ISSUES OF JUSTICE AND EQUALITY,
LIBERTY, DISCRIMINATION, PRIVACY, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I WOULD SAY THAT I AM SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN AN IDEALIST AND A
REALIST. AND I THINK YOU NEED BOTH FOR PROGRESS IN A COMPLEX
POLITICAL WORLD. SO THAT’S A PERSPECTIVE THAT I
BRING TO THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.
I HAVE SEEN THE HURT CAUSED BY THE HATEFUL ACTS AROUND CAMPUS.
I KNOW DURING THESE TIMES, IT IS HARD TO HEAR ADVICE LIKE, TURN
THE OTHER CHEEK, LOVE CAN DEFEAT HATE, TAKE THE HIGH ROAD, DON’T
FEED THE TROLLS. THIS IS GREAT ADVICE,
BUT I WISH I HAD MORE SATISFYING ADVICE TO GIVE. IT IS NOT AN
IMPOSSIBLE DREAM TO THINK WE CAN STRIKE A BETTER BALANCE BETWEEN
LIBERTY AND INCLUSIVITY, AND IT IS A LONG-TERM AMERICAN PROJECT.
THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE QUICK FIX TO ANY OF THIS.
SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, I HAVE SEEN INCLUSIVITY AS AN ASPIRATIONAL
GOAL WE WILL SUPPORT AND WE WILL GET THERE TODAY. AND TODAY,
FREE SPEECH IS A HARD REALITY AND WE HAVE TO WORK CAREFULLY
WITHIN THAT CONSTRAINT. SO THIS MEANS A LOT OF THINGS.
IT MEANS STAYING FOCUSED ON PRODUCTIVE ISSUES, AND THIS MEANS MORE THAN AN
ALL-OR-NOTHING MINDSET THAT MAKES PROGRESS MORE DIFFICULT
THAN IT ALREADY IS. >>THANK YOU. IN LIGHT OF THE
RECENT INCIDENTS ON CAMPUS, WHAT MESSAGE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEND
TO STUDENTS OF COLOR AND OTHERS A LIKE MOVING FORWARD?
>>THE MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE THAT I AS A
STUDENT OF COLOR MYSELF AND MY PEERS IS THAT WE’RE NOT ALONE IN
THIS FIGHT, AND THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN A
VACUUM. THERE IS PRECEDENCE FOR DEALING
WITH THINGS LIKE THIS, FOR DOING THE WORK OF UNSETTLING THE
STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ALLOW FOR THESE THINGS TO
HAPPEN AND TO GO UNCHECKED AND THAT THERE ARE
PEOPLE HERE TO DO THAT WORK FOR THEM, INCLUING OURSELVES.
>>THANK YOU. >>MY MESSAGE FOR STUDENTS OF
COLOR IS WE HEAR YOU, WE SEE YOU, WE LOVE YOU VERY MUCH, AND
THIS IS QULOUR YOUR CAMPUS AND YOUR UNIVERSITY. THAT IS MY
MENL — MENL MESSAGE TO YOU. WE ARE A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY
FUNDED BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. LATINOS ARE THE
LARGEST POPULATION IN CALIFORNIA, AND THE UNIVERSITY
BELONGS TO YOU AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE. YOU HAVE EVERY
RIGHT TO THIS UNIVERSITY, THIS IS PART OF THE COMMONS, THIS IS
YOUR CAMPUS. YOU SHOULD NEVER LET ANY ACTION, NO MATTER HOW
HORRIBLE IT IS, TRY TO CONVINCE YOU OTHERWISE. AND I THINK
THAT’S PART OF WHAT’S GOING ON HERE IS THESE RACIST ACTIONS,
THESE ATTITUDES, THE MICROAGGRESSIONS ARE SIGNALS TO
YOU THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG. THAT’S A FALSE MESSAGE. IT IS
UNTRUE. YOU PAY INTO THE SYSTEM, YOU PAY INTO THE
UNIVERSITY, WHETHER YOU COME HERE OR NOT, THIS. IS. YOUR.
CAMPUS. >>THANK YOU. BRIAN?
>>MY MESSAGE TO STUDENTS, SPECIFICALLY STUDENTS OF COLOR,
IS: BE ANGRY. DON’T HOLD IT IN. LET IT OUT, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN
GETTING ALL OF THESE MESSAGES THROUGHOUT OUR SOCIALIZATION
THAT YOU CAN BE — CAN’T BE ANGRY, YOU CAN’T SPEAK OUT,
ESPECIALLY IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU. THAT’S WHY I’M PROUD OF
THE STUDENTS COMING OUT AND SHARING THEIR STORIES AND
SHEDDING LIGHT ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON AN
EVERYDAY BASIS, BECAUSE EVEN RIGHT NOW, WE ARE OPERATING IN
CRISIS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN CRISIS EVERY DAY
FOR THE PAST HOW MANY YEARS CAL POLY IS IN EXISTENCE, NOT JUST
THIS PERIOD OF TIME. LEAN INTO THAT ANGER AND FIND A GOOD WAY
TO GET THAT ANGER OUT THERE, WHICH IS TO SPEAK OUT AND CREATE
THAT CHANGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, IT IS YOUR CAMPUS.
>>THANK YOU. HEIDI? >>THE NUMBER ONE THING I WANT
THE STUDENTS TO KNOW IS I FEEL VERY LOST ON THIS, AND I’M
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A DIALOGUE AND FIGURING OUT WHAT
TO DO. I HAVE A DEEP DESIRE TO BE PART OF THAT, AND
I’M NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I’M GRATEFUL FOR
THAT. AND TO THE STUDENTS, I’M HERE TO
STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH THEM IN AN ACTIVE AND MEANINGFUL WAY,
AND NOT JUST AS A SENTIMENT, BUT AS A VERB. SOLIDARITY, I THINK,
GETS USED A LOT AND I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE FORGET THE REAL
ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE BEHIND THAT WORD. AND MOSTLY, I’M HERE
TO LISTEN AND TO BELIEVE AND TO USE MY PRIVILEGE AS A WHITE
WOMAN AND LEADER IN THIS COMMUNITY TO LIFT UP THE VOICES
OF STUDENTS OF COLOR AND OTHER MARGINALIZED STUDENTS AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS. >>THANK YOU. STAN?
>>STUDENTS OF COLOR, WHAT YOU HAVE TO ENDURE IS NOT A JUDGMENT
OF YOU OR YOUR WORTH, BUT A REFLECTION OF THEIR FEAR AND
INHUMANITY. YOU WILL ONLY LOSE IF YOU BEGIN TO BELIEVE IN WHAT
THEY SAY ABOUT YOU. AND ONE WAY FOR YOU TO GET
REDEMPTION IS TO GET YOUR CAL POLY DEGREE, AND I’M HERE TO
HELP YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >>THANK YOU.
(APPLAUSE). >>I AGREE WITH THESE
SENTIMENTS, AND I AGREE THAT YOU ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ANGRY.
WE ALL DO. WE ALSO NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOT
TO GET THAT ANGER AND HATE CONSUME US. SO MY MESSAGE TO
PEOPLE OF COLOR IS: DO THOUGHT — NOT BE AFRAID. DON’T BE
AFRAID. I WOULD COMPARE THIS TO SOME DEGREE LIKE NEWS COVERAGE
ABOUT TERRORISM. I’M NOT SAYING IT DOESN’T HAPPEN, IT HAPPENS
EVERY DAY. BUT IT IS EASY TO BE OVERWHELMED AND CONSUMED BY THAT
BAD NEWS AND THINK THIS IS A BIGGER THREAT TO YOUR DAILY EXISTENCE, AND IF YOU GO
AROUND FEELING THAT WAY, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND IT IS GOING
TO CLOSE YOU OFF, CLOSE YOUR HEART, TO THE EMPATHY AND
COMMUNITY THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHAT IS NEEDED TO SOLVE A LOT OF
THESE ISSUES. >>THANK YOU, PATRICK.
>>BEFORE WE GET TO THE AUDIENCE, THIS IS THE LAST
QUESTION I HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU. AS WE KNOW, THERE ARE
ISSUES ON CAMPUS PRIOR TO THE MOST RECENT EVENTS.
WHAT IS IT IN THE ETHOS THAT MAKES SOME CAL POLY STUDENTS
FEEL AS THOUGH DEMEANING THEIR PEERS IS GOING TO GO UNCHALLENGED?
>>I THINK THIS INSTITUTION IS ONE OUT OF ALL OF
THEM THAT HAS BEEN FOUNDED ON WHITE SUPREMACIST COLONIAL STRUCTURES.
AND SO THIS THIS INSTITUTION IS NOT AN
ISOLATED INSTITUTION, AND THE GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTRY, THE
HISTORIES THAT HAVE BACKED INSTITUTIONS LIKE THIS OPERATE
ON THE SAME COLONIAL STRUCTURES.
AND SO, TO EXPECT THIS WOULDN’T HAPPEN HERE, AND THAT EACH INCIDENT IS A SHOCK, I GUESS THE
— THE FEELING OF BEING EMPOWERED TO DO THESE TYPES OF
THINGS IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT, EVEN IF THEY DON’T ACT ON
HATE SPEECH, OR THEY DON’T ACT ON THESE THINGS, THAT THERE ARE
SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT WILL KEEP THEM OUT OF PUNITIVE ATIVE MESH MESH — PUNITIVE
MEASURES. I’M THINKING OF POLICE BRUTALITY.
POLICE CAN KILL BLACK AND BROWN BODIES, AND THIS GOES UNCHECKED,
AND THE HISTORIES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT COME FROM SLAVE
PATROLS AND WHITE PEOPLE LORDING POWER OVER BLACK BODIES. IF WE
THINK ABOUT HISTORIES THAT GO INTO AN INSTITUTION LIKE THIS,
AND LIKE THE UNITED STATES, AND LIKE ANY OTHER PIECE OF THE
COLONIAL PROJECT, IS — IT WOULD BE INCORRECT TO
THINK THAT PEOPLE AREN’T BACKED BY SUCH LARGE ENTITIES TO DO
THESE THINGS. >>THANK YOU. JOSE?
>>YEAH, IN TERMS OF THE ETHOS, I THINK PART OF IT IS CAL POLY
IS EMBLEM ATIC AND INSULAR, AND THIS IS
WHY PEOPLE THINK YOU CAN GET AWA WITH IT. THAT INS LARTY IS
REFLECTIVE OF SIMILAR INS LARTYS AND POWER STRUCTURES.
AND THE REASON PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DO CERTAIN THING, PUT
YOURSELF IN BLACKFACE, IS THAT SAME INGS — INS LARTY. IF THESE FRAT
MEMBERS WERE IN SOUTH CENTRAL, THEY WOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE
PUTTING BLACK FACE ON. IT IS THAT TYPE OF INSULARITY.
BUT THAT A CRUDE COMPARISON AS WELL. WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THIS
QUESTION OF THE ETHOSTHOS, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY
OF WHITE SUPREMACY AND RACISM, IT IS NOT JUST INCIDENTS OF
BLACK FACE THAT CROP UP THAT EVERYONE CAN POINT TO, AND EVEN
GOOD LIBERALS SAY, THAT IS SO TERRIBLE. THAT IS SO TERRIBLE.
IT IS PERVASIVE, AND SO INSIDIOUS, THAT IT MANIFESTS
ITSELF IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I WILL GIVE YOU THE BEST EXAMPLE.
SO WHEN THIS QUESTION OF BLACKFACE CAME UP, I WATCHED
ONLINE AS MANY, MANY PARENTS REACHED OUT TO THE PRESIDENT,
WROTE TO THE PRESIDENT, WROTE OP-EDS, AND MANY OF THESE
PARENTS, GOOD, LOVING PARENTS WRITE AS CAL POLY PARENTS, AND
IN ALL OF THEIR LETTERS, THEIR CONCERN AS A PARENT WAS FOR POOR
LITTLE KYLER WATKINS. THIS IS HOW RACISM
SEEPS IN. IT IS A CANCER AND IT BLINDS US. AND THEY SAY, IT IS
A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT, YOU SHOULD TEACH AND HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH HIM, WHAT ABOUT HIS FUTURE? IT IS GOING TO
BE DAMAGED AND RUINED. NONE OF THOSE PARENTS BEGAN ANY
OF THOSE NOTES OR LETTERS THINKING ABOUT WHAT BLACK
STUDENTS WOULD FEEL LIKE ON THIS CAMPUS IN LIGHT OF THAT
INCIDENT. THEY DON’T SAY, HEY, I WONDER WHAT BLACK STUDENTS ARE
FEELING ON THAT CAMPUS? THEY MUST FEEL HORRIBLE, BECAUSE YOUR
POINT OF IDENTIFICATION AND YOUR POINT OF EMPATHY IS WITH SOMEONE
THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU, OR YOUR KID, AND I GET IT, BUT THAT IS
STILL RACIST.
>>(APPLAUSE). >>WHAT THE PANELISTS POINTED
OUT IS THERE’S A HISTORY AND CULTURE THAT GOES BEYOND CAL
POLY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF CAL POLY, THE
MAJORITY ARE WHITE. SO THERE’S A COMFORTABILITY THAT’S THERE.
AND, WITH COMFORTABILITY, WE GET
COMPLACENT. WE LET THINGS SLIDE, WE LET THINGS PASS, AND
THERE’S NO FORM OF PUNISHMENT THAT REALLY GETS TO, OKAY, THIS
WAS WRONG. AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING RIGHT NOW WITH
THE CULTURE THAT WE HAVE AT CAL POLY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
WE ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE FOR A WHILE AND TRYING TO DISMANTLE
FOR A WHILE. BUT I DO THINK IT IS THE COMPLACENCY, BECAUSE WHEN
WE ARE COMPLACENT, A LOT OF PEOPLE GET HURT.
I ALWAYS USE THE EXAMPLE WITH MY HUSBAND. SO I GET UP FOR A
GLASS OF WATER, AND HE ASKED IF I WANT A
GLASS? I WILL JUST GET MY WATER. BUT IF I ASK A GUEST, WOULD YOU
LIKE A GLASS OF WATER? THIS IS A NEW PERSON IN MY LIFE,
I HAVE TO MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE, COME — AND WE
NEED TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP. BUT I’M COMPLACENT WITH MY
HUSBAND. AND SOMETIMES I’M LIKE, WHATEVER, I WILL GET MY
GLASS. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT REALLY STEMS FROM THE PREVIOUS QUESTION YOU ASKED
IS SOMETIMES THE SOCIALIZATION WE HAVE NOT TO SAY ANYTHING, AND
ESPECIALLY AGAIN, AS PEOPLE OF COLOR, I’M GOING TO GO BACK
THERE, WE DON’T SAY ANYTHING. I HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY MESSAGES IN
MY CAREER FROM MY PARENTS THAT I CANNOT BE ANGRY, I CANNOT LET IT
SHOW. SMILE AND NOD. AND THEN TRY TO CRAFT A RESPONSE
THAT WOULD LET THE NEXT PERSON BE COMFORTABLE. AND I THINK
THAT’S WHERE WE ARE AS A CAMPUS ALSO. >>THANK YOU.
>>SO I AM A CAL POLY GRADUATE, BUT IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I
HAVE BEEN ON CAMPUS IN THAT WAY AS A STUDENT. I HAVE TO WONDER
AND NOT KNOW WHAT MAY MAKE CAL POLY STAND OUT AND CONTRIBUTE TO
THE CULTURE HERE. AND I WONDER IF IT IS THE HIGH LEVEL OF
AFLUENCE OF THE STUDENT BODY FAMILIES, IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IN HOW THEY BEHAVE, AND THE CULTURE THAT IS
CREATED BY THAT. AND I THINK, TOO, AND I WONDER,
I’M WONDERING, IF THE NATURE OF A POLY TECHNIC CAMPUS ITSELF HAS
A DRIVER THAT IS VERY, VERY, CAREER, BOTTOM-LINE DRIVEN, AS
OPPOSED TO HAVING A BREADTH AND DEPTH OF WHAT IT IS TO BE FULLY
HUMAN. AND I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER SUGGEST THAT
THIS SORT OF ECONOMIC CAPITALIST DRIVERS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE
HAVE NOT CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT IN THEIR HOME LIFE POTENTIALLY,
AND THEREFORE IT SPILLS OVER ON THE CAMPUS, AND IT REALLY
DEMANDS THAT WE ASK OURSELVES, HOW AM WHERE I GOING TO SHOW UP
IN THIS HUMAN EXPERIENCE? I THINK THAT THERE’S A — THERE
SEEMS TO BE A FAIRLY WIDESPREAD FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGE, AND LACK
OF EMPATHY, ON THE PART OF THE STUDENTS HERE AT CAL POLY. AND
I THINK MAYBE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE KIND OF HAND-IN-HAND
KPLNCHLT . >>THANK YOU, HEIDI.
>>I WILL COMMENT ON BRIAN’S COMMENT, FOR MY WIFE, I GET THE
GLASS OF WATER AND LET HER DECIDE IF SHE IS GOING TO DRINK
IT OR NOT. (LAUGHTER).
IT AVOIDS THE DILEMMA. (LAUGHTER).
SO, BUT MORE SERIOUSLY, I APPRECIATE THE
PERSPECTIVE THE OTHER PANELISTS HAVE GIVEN HERE.
AND WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE SAID IS THE NORMS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DAILY
LIVES ARE AT A POINT WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IT IS OKAY TO
DO THESE THINGS, OR TO LET IT SLIDE. AND SO PEOPLE AREN’T
STEPPING UP, PEOPLE ARE SITTING ON THE SIDE SIDELINES. IT IS TIME TO GET IN
THE GAME AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT IS TEARING US APART.>>ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU.
>>SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE
CLIMATE THAT IS EMBOLDENING SOME PEOPLE TO SAY SUCH HATEFUL
THINGS WITHOUT FEAR OF REPERCUSSION? I WOULD AGREE THAT
A LACK OF DIVERSITY IS A BIG CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, COMPLACENCY
IS ALSO ANOTHER BIG CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. FOR MANY OF THE LAST
RECENT YEARS, THINGS WERE LOOKING BETTER, IT SEEMS LIKE WE
ARE MAKING PROGRESS A LONG A LOT OF DIFFERENT LINES. IT IS EASY
TO THING THAT PROGRESS IS GOING TO HAPPEN BY ITSELF. AND THAT,
I AGREE, IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. AND I HAVE BEEN ON
CAMPUSES FROM COAST TO COAST, FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. I DON’T
THINK THAT SAN LOIS OBISPO HAS A SICKNESS THAT OTHERS DON’T
HAVE. IT IS A MICROCOSM OF A NATIONAL
PROBLEM, A RISING NATIONISM AND RACISTS COMING FROM OUT OF THEIR
SHADOWS AND FROM UNDER THE ROCKS, AND THEY ARE INCREASINGLY
BECOMING MORE EMBOLDENED. I SEE IT AS A NATIONAL PROBLEM, IT IS
NOT CAL POLY ONLY OR SAN LOIS LOIS LOIS OBISPO PROBLEM. THERE
IS NO EASY FIX, AND IT COMES DOWN TO OUR CORE, BASIC VALUES. WE ARE ENTRENCHED IN
LIBERTY AS A FUNDAMENTAL, CORE VALUE.
AMERICA’S COMMITMENT TO LIBERTY IS UNIQUE. SOME MIGHT SAY THAT
WE ARE OVER COMMITTED TO IT. WE LET PEOPLE DO ALL KINDS OF CRAZY
STUFF, SAY THINGS THEY WANT, DO THINGS THEY WANT, AS LONG AS IT
DOESN’T HURT OTHERS. AND EVEN IF IT DOES, WE MIGHT LET YOU DO
THAT STILL. SO PHILOSOPHICALLY, I THINK THERE’S A, THIS IS A
VERY OLD PROBLEM. YOU CAN TRACE IT BACK TO OUR
ORIGINAL COMMITMENTS TO CORE CORE VALUES, WHICH COLLIDE AND
CONFLICT WITH OTHER LIBERTY CONFLICTSVALUES. WITH
SECURITY WE’RE GOING TO HAVEAND ALSO WITH
INCLUSIVITY. TO MAKE SOME REALLY HARD DECISIONS ABOUT THE
DIRECTION OF OUR NATION. THIS IS ABOUT THE SOUL OF OUR NATION.
THINK WE HAVE TO DO AND I IT THOUGHTFULLY AND HAVE SOME
REALISM AND IDEALISM IN THAT FIGHT.
>>THANK YOU, PATRICK. THANK YOU, ALL, FOR ANSWERING THOSE
QUESTIONS. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME
FROM THE AUDIENCE AND, AT THIS POINT, I’M GOING TO — I’M
SORRY. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, LEILANI?
BY ALL MEANS. >>I THINK THAT, WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT LIBERTY, LIKE LIBERTY CONFLICTS WITH SLAVERY, AND THE
EXCLUSION OF PEOPLE OF COLOR, OF PEEL, WOMEN, OF MARGINALIZED
PEOPLE, WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT TALKING ABOUT LIBERTY AND
DISCUSSING THE WAYS THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL, BUT THAT LIBERTY WAS NEVER JUSTICE FOR
ANYONE, EXCEPT FOR WHITE MALES. >>THANK YOU, MA’AM, THANK YOU.
>>ARE WE READY?
>>THE WAY THIS WORKS, I WILL NOT GO DOWN THE LINE, JUST
ASK TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
WHAT STEPS CAN THOSE OF US IN THE COMMUNITY DO TO MAKE
STUDENTS, STAFF, FACULTY, AND GUESTS FEEL SAFE AND WELCOMEING
ON OUR CAMPUS? >>WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THAT ON FIRST.
>>I WILL ANSWER WHAT I’M TRYING TO DO.
>>YES, WHAT CAN STUDENTS IN THE CAL POLY COMMUNITY DO TO MAKE
STUDENTS, GUESTS, FACULTY, AND STAFF AND GUESTS SAFE AND
WELCOME ON OUR CAMPUS? >>I’M TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF
AND LISTEN TO BOTH THE SPOKEN WORD, AND ALSO DO THE READING
FROM THOSE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED CLEARLY WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK
LIKE. SO I FEEL, LIKE I SAID, ANSWER OF WHAT THAT
ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. AND FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I’M
TRYING TO ACTIVELY SEEK OUT MY EDUCATION
ON THAT. YOU CALLED IT THE UNLEARNING, AND I HAVE HEARD
PEOPLE SAY, WHICH RESONATES, I WANT TO DECOLONISE IN MY MID MIND AND
HEART. I AM HOPEFUL THAT I CAN, IN TANDEM, TAKE MEANINGFUL
ACTION. AND I WILL BE MEANINGFUL THAT I WILL NOT SPEND
YEARS STUDYING THIS WITHOUT TAKING ACTION.
>>THANK YOU, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TAKE THAT ON?
>>WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL CAN DO IS REALLY CONSIDER THE — SO
THERE’S THIS TED TALK PUT ON ABOUT SINGLE STORY, ANDAND I
THINK WHAT SHE TALKS ABOUT IS YOU HAVE TO LEAD WITH THE FIRST
THING RATHER THAN THE SECOND THING.
SO INSTEAD OF SAYING, BLACK MEN ARE LAZY, AND THEY ARE MORE
LIKELY TO BE CRIMINALS, AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ALWAYS IN JAIL
AND SINGLE HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE
HISTORICAL CONTEXT, AND THE ROOT OF THAT IS, IS THAT SLAVERY TOOK
A LOT OF ABLE-BODIED MEN AND WOMEN, ETC., FROM THEM, SO THAT
STRUCTURED FOLLOWED ACROSS EVERYTHING. SO THAT’S THE
LARGEST PICTURE OF WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE. SO I
THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO REALLY
QUESTION WHAT IS BEHIND EVERYTHING, REALLY. JUST
QUESTION — >>(APPLAUSE).
>>– WHAT TRUTH IS, AND WHO IS TELLING THAT TRUTH AND WHO IT IS
MEANT TO BE FOR, AND HOW IT IS MEANT TO FUNCTION AND THINGS
LIKE THAT. WE CAN LOOK AT THE WAYS THAT THINGS LIKE THE
CONSTITUTION ARE HELD UP TO BE THIS UNTOUCHABLE DOCUMENT, AND
THE WAYS THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN INTERPRETED AND THE WAYS THAT
THAT WAS WRITTEN, WHO WROTE IT, WHAT IT HAS FUNCTIONED TO DO AND
TO REALLY BRING INTO QUESTION WHAT PEOPLE SAY, BECAUSE
EVERYONE HAS, AS YOU HAVE SAID, FROM
BIRTH TOLD CERTAIN THINGS IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS ABOUT EVERYONE.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO QUESTION THAT AND
PASS IT ON. IF YOU DO IT FOR YOURSELF, AND DECOLONIZE YOUR
MIND, AND THAT’S IT, YOU DIDN’T HELP ANYONE. YOU DIDN’T DO
ANYTHING, REALLY. SO IT IS IMPORTANT TOPASS THAT ON AND TO
BUILD THOSE COALITIONS AND TO REALLY ACTIVELY DO THAT WORK OF
UNSETTLING EVERYTHING, TO NOT ONLY DECOLONIZE YOUR MIND, BUT
TO DECOLONIZE THE MINDS OF THE ENTIRE PLANET.
>>THANK YOU. YES? >>I AGREE. I THINK WE ARE ALL
LEARNING A TWO-STEP PROCESS. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE WAY IN
WHICH WE THINK, AND OUR IDEAS ABOUT PEOPLE AND INSTRUCTORS AND
EVERYTHING. AND THEN, BASED ON THOSE THINGS, WE WILL TAKE
ACTION. AND SO THE WAY I EXPLAINED THIS TO STUDENTS IN MY
CLASSROOM IS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRIVILEGE IN ALL
FORMS, I TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, YES, THERE IS WHITE PRIVILEGE
AND PEOPLE START — THEY FEEL GUILTY, OR THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT
IT IS AND THEN TAKE ACTION. THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED OF US.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE POINTS OF PRIVILEGE. THIS RELATES TO THE
THINKING PART, THE PART OF PRIVILEGE IS YOU DON’T HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. AS A MAN OF COLOR, A DARK-SKINNED
LATINO, I’M STRAIGHT. AND SO MY SEXUALITY OFFERS ME A
POINT OF PRIVILEGE. SO LET ME EXPLAIN.
WHEN I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, I DON’T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT MY
SEXUALITY. WHEN I’M OUT AT STARBUCKS IN THE
LINE, I’M WITH MY PARTNER, IF I’M HOLDING HANDS, I GIVE HER A
CESSCESS KISS IN PUBLIC, I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY THAT SOMEONE
WILL SAY SOMETHING NASTY TO ME, KEEP THAT IN YOUR HOUSE, OR IN
PRIVATE. I NEVER HAVE TO THINK, IF I’M WALKING DOWN THE STREET,
THAT SOME BOYS IN A TRUCK, USUALLY IT IS BOYS IN A TRUCK
THAT ARE OVER COMPENSATING, ARE GOING TO DRIVE BY ME AND NOT BE
ABLE TO SEE IF I’M A BOY OR A GIRL OR A MAN OR A WOMAN, AND
THEN DECIDE TO CHASE ME DOWN THROUGH A PARK AND TRY TO PULL
MY PANTS DOWN TO FIGURE OUT FOR THEIR OWN SELVES AND PLEASURE
WHETHER I’M A BOY OR A GIRL. I NEVER HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
THAT. I NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. IN MY DAILY LIFE,
THOSE FEARS AND CONCERNS NEVER CROSSED MY MIND, UNLESS I MAKE
THEM. THAT’S THE POINT OF PRIVILEGE, WE HAVE MANY FORMS OF
THEM, BASED ON CLASS — OH, NO WORRIES, I CAN JUST BUY THIS. I
DON’T HAVE THAT, I CAN JUST BUY THAT.
THAT IS BASED ON SEXUALITY, IT IS MY POINT OF PRIVILEGE, AND
SOME OF US HAVE IT BASED ON RACE.
THESE STRUCTURES ARE COMPLEX AND DYNAMIC. THEY ARE SO COMPLEX
AND DYNAMIC THAT IT KEEPS INTO OUR MIND. IT IS OUR JOB TO
BECOME VIGILANT SO WE ARE NOT COMPLICIT ON THESE THINGS. IT
IS A GOOD ETHIC, IT IS COMPASSION, IT IS CARING ABOUT
THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU, WHETHER THEY ARE TRANS, QUEER, BLACK, OR
BROWN, OR A WOMAN, OR WHATEVER. SO IF YOU ARE IN THAT STARBUCKS
LINE, AND THAT BOY WHO JUST GOT OUT OF THE BIG TRUCK COMES IN
THERE, AND TRIES TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU NEED TO
INTERVENE. GOOD ETHICS REQUIRE THAT AND HUMAN DECENCY REQUIRES
THAT. (APPLAUSE).
>>THANK YOU. >>WE WILL TAKE ONE MORE AND
THEN ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
>>SO IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY TRAININGS, YOU PROBABLY WILL
GET THIS. AND IF YOU HAVEN’T BEEN, YOU PROBABLY WILL GET
THIS. SO WHEN I SAY SOMETHING, YOU CAN
ANSWER, WHAT COLOR IS THE SUN? YELLOW.
PEANUT BUTTER?
OKAY,SO NOT A COLOR, PEANUT BUTTER AND — HOW QUICK WERE
THOSE THINGS? THOSE THINGS HAPPEN SO QUICKLY THAT WE DON’T
THINK ABOUT IT. I LEAD WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT IS HOW EASY IT
IS TO ACTUALLY, FOR YOUR BIAS TO ACTUALLY COME UP.
THAT’S HOW EASY IT IS TO COME INTO MICROAGGRESSION. AND IF
WE’RE HAVING FUN, OR IF WE’RE ANGRY, THAT’S HOW EASY IT IS TO
BE VIOLENT. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS TIE INTO
EACH OTHER VERY QUICKLY, VERY SEAMLESSLY. THERE’S
RE-DESIGNING AND RE-THINKING THAT HAS TO HAP TO HAPPEN. AND
PAT, TO GET WHAT YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT, A MICROCOSM,
WE’RE A MICROCOSM AND THERE’S RE-DESIGNING THAT WE CAN DO FOR
THINGS TO NOT HAPPEN ON THIS CAMPUS. WE CAN ACTUALLY START
ENACTING OUR VALUES BECAUSE THOSE THINGS SHOULD COME VERY
QUICKLY TO US. WE LEARN THOSE THINGS IN THE
WEEK OF WELCOME. I DIDN’T GO THROUGH IT, BUT I LEARNED ABOUT
IT QUICK. AND WE KNOW THOSE VALUES AND IF WE ENACT AND LIVE
BY THOSE VALUES, WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE
VALUES. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE
TO HAPPEN, AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LIBERTY, WE WILL
REDEFINE LIBERTY AND LIBERTY FOR ALL. LET’S REDEFINE THAT.
BECAUSE WHO REALLY DEFINED LIBERTY? I THINK THAT IS WHERE
WE ARE TRY TO HEAD, BUT WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO IT. THERE’S AN
EDUCATION PIECE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, AND USUALLY — IF YOU
ARE SAYING, I’M GOOD WITH DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, I DON’T
NEED TO GO TO THAT TRAINING, OKAY, YOU NEED TO GO TO THAT
TRAINING. AND WE’RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT
THIS, OH, MY GOODNESS, I’M SO TIRED ABOUT THIS. WHY ARE YOU
TIRED? I’M TIRED. (APPLAUSE).
SO I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, I REALLY THINK IT IS IMPORTANT
AND THE OTHER PIECE IS TO BE CURIOUS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, TRY
TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW ABOUT THAT, AND STOP ACTING ON WHAT
YOU THINK YOU KNOW. BE CURIOUS AND FIND THAT OUT,
AND BE CURIOUS OF YOURSELF AND ASK YOURSELF, HOW DO I KNOW WHAT
I KNOW? CURIOSITY IS A BIG PIECE.
>>THANK YOU. THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, AND SO I’M GOING TO SKIP — WHAT CAN
CAL POLY DO, GIVEN PROP 209 CONSTRAINTS?
ALL RIGHT. GO FOR IT.
>>SO I THINK WHAT CAL POLY CAN DO IS ENACT THE CAL POLY
OPPORTUNITIES GRANT. THAT IS A WAY TO GET FUNDING TO STUDENTS
WHO NEED THE MONEY TO COME HERE. AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
>>OKAY. >>JOSE?
>>YEAH, I AGREE WITH STAN. THE CAL POLY OPPORTUNITY GRANT IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING, TO TAKE MATERIAL ACTION. AND KNOW
IT IS UNPOPULAR WITH SOME STUDENTS AND FACULTY BUT, AS I
HAVE SAID BEFORE, WE’RE A CALIFORNIA-FUNDED UNIVERSITY
SYSTEM. IF YOU ARE A CALIFORNIA STUDENT, YOU HAVE PAID INTO IT.
AND BECAUSE OF THE CALIFORNIA MASTER PLAN AND WHO WE ARE AND
HOW WONDERFUL WE ARE, WE FIGHT TO MAKE SURE OUR CSU SYSTEM IS
AFFORDABLE, WE FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP THE TUITION
LOW, AND THEN WE ATD ADD TAXES TO THE SYSTEM TO KEEP IT LOW.
IF YOU ARE OUT OF STATE, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY DO NOT PAY INTO THE
SYSTEM. YOU DO NOT PAY TAXES INTO THE SYSTEM. SO WHAT YOU
BENEFIT, IF YOU ARE OUT OF STATE, IS A SUBSIDIZED
EDUCATION, AT CAL POLY, THAT IS FUNDED BY YOU, THE TAXPAYER, THE
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYER. SO YOU PUT INTO THE SYSTEM,
STUDENTS OUT OF STATE, WHILE THEIR PUBLIC UNIVERSITY SYSTEMS
ARE CHARGING MORE AND MORE MONEY, THEY SEE CAL POLY AND IT
IS AN INCREDIBLE DISCOUNT. YOU ARE SUBSIDIZING THEIR EDUCATION.
THIS IS A WAY TO HELP THEM PAY INTO A SYSTEM YOU ARE PAYING
INTO ALREADY AND HELPS STUDENTS OF COLOR, LOW-INCOME COLOR
STUDENTS, AND THIS INCLUDES THE POOR WHITE KID AND RURAL KID WHO
NEEDS THAT OPPORTUNITY, THIS IS A WAY FOR EVERYONE TO PAY THEIR
FAIR SHARE AND DO SOMETHING GOOD.
SO I CAN’T ENDORSE THAT OPPORTUNITY GRANT MORE THAN
THAT. IT JUST MAKES GREAT ECONOMIC SENSE.
>>THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE).
>>OKAY. HERE WE GO.
THIS IS A FACULTY QUESTION. I FELT ON MY OWN WHEN I SPOKE WITH
MY STUDENTS ABOUT THE EVENTS, THEY SAID NOT MANY FACULTY
ALLOWED TIME FOR THEIR CHOICES. HOW CAN WE EMPOWER MORE DISCUSSION?
>>ONE WAY TO START IS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN THE FIRST
PLACE. A LOT OF WAYS IN WHICH WHITENESS FUNCTIONS AND OTHER
PRIVILEGES FUNCTION IS THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE, TALKED ABOUT, OR ACKNOWLEDGE ACKNOWLEDGED,
HISTORY IS RE — ERASED, AND WE NEED TO BEGIN
THAT CONVERSATION AND PRIVILEGE THE VOICES THAT ARE MARGINALIZED AND THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE DOING THAT EDUCATING TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND THE
SOLUTIONS BY AND ABOUT THESIS PEOPLE CAN LOOK LIKE.
>>THANK YOU. >>ANYONE ELSE? BRIAN?>>SO THAT’S, ON ITS HEAD, IT IS A
SIMPLE QUESTION, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY COMPLEX. SO WE HAVE
FACULTY WHO DO NOT HAVE TOS TO TO — THE TOOLS TO ENGAGE IN
THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND, IN SOME WAY, MANDATEING FACULTY TO
GO THROUGH TRAINING AND FIND WAYS — (APPLAUSE) — OF
IMPLEMENTING INCLUSIVE PEDAGOGY IN THEIR CLASSROOMS, AND USING
THE ACTUAL LIVED EXPERIENCES OF UNDER REPRESENTED STUDENTS IN
THEIR CURRICULUM TO FORM —
INFORM KNOWLEDGE THAT IS CREATED IS PART OF IT. AND THE OTHER
PART OF IT IS HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT IT — IT REALLY IS ALSO ON STUDENTS, TOO. AND IF WE’RE NOT
WILLING TO ACTUALLY PUSH FOR DIVERSIFYING OUR STUDENT
POPULATION, THEN THERE IS ACTUALLY, IN SOME WAYS, NO NEED
FOR THESE FACULTY MEMBERS TO GET THEIR TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO
ENGAGE AND ALSO STOP BEHAVIORS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC IN THE
CLASSROOMCLASSROOM. >>THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANOTHER.
IN REGARD TO GREEK LIFE, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE THE NEXT STEPS
MOVING FORWARD ARE AS WELL AS THE EFFECTS OF POSSIBLE BLACK
CHAPTERS ON CAMPUS?
>>AS FAR AS EFFECTS THAT IS CORRECT , THAT IS DETERMINED BY
STUDENTS BY STUDENTS IN GREEK LIFE. IF YOU CONTINUE THESE
BEHAVIORS, THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE CONSEQUENCES AND THERE
WILL BE AN IMAGE THAT GREEK LIFE HAS AS VERY WHITE. SO THE
SOLUTION IS NOT TO DIVERSIFY THE UNIVERSITY AND FACULTY, BUT TO
DIVURS FIE GREEK LIFE AND REACH OUT TO
FOLKS. AND THEY SAY, WE TRY TO OFFER TO STUDENTS OF COLOR BUT
THEY WON’T COME. IT IS THE CHICKEN AND EGG, THEY DON’T COME
BECAUSE THEY DON’T FEEL SAFE. YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT
FIRST. AND THAT IS ONE, SORT OF, INTEGRATION IF YOU WILL.
BUT I STILL, I DON’T KNOW, AS A FACULTY MEMBER, I THINK
PEDAGOGICALLY AND IN TERMS OF THE UNIVERSITY, YES OR NO WHAT GREEK LIFE — I DON’T KNOW WHAT
GREEK DOES FOR US. I KNOW WHAT IT DOES POST-UNIVERSITY, IT CREATES A NETWORK, AND YOU
GET A JOB NOT BECAUSE WE ARE A MERIT OCERACY, BUT BECAUSE YOU
ARE A FRAT BROTHER OR SISTER PRA. SO ONE IS TO INTEGRATE
GREEK LIFE, AND THE OTHER IS TO DO AWAY WITH IT ALL TOGETHER. I
DON’T KNOW. >>THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE
BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.
>>FOR A WHITE MALE, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF INCLUSIVITY?
>>I THINK, AT A BASE LEVEL, THE BENEFITS OF INCLUSIVITY ARE THAT YOU WILL RESTORE YOUR
OWN HUMANITY BY NO LONGER DENYING THE HUMANITY OF OTHER PEOPLE.
(APPLAUSE). >>I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE YOU WHO
BECOME, LELANI. MY GOD.
>>THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, OF RACISM AND
INCLUSION, THEY ARE FUNDAMENTAL AND ETHICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR
SOUL AND HUMANITY, THOSE ARE ABSTRACT. I WILL MAKE IT
CONCRETE FOR YOU ALL. THIS DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT IS GOING ON IN
THE COUNTRY, AND THAT’S THE REASON FOR THE CHALLENGES WE ARE
SEEING. IN CALIFORNIA, WE LEAD THE WAY. CAL POLY IS, IN MANY
WAYS, SIMILAR TO OTHER NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES, BUT NOT TO OTHER
CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITIES IN THE STATE. THE OTHERS ARE
INCREDIBLY DIVERSE, AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE WE ARE A POLY
TECHNIC CAMPUS, BUT BECAUSE CAL POLY POMONA, THEY ARE INCREDIBLY
DIVERSE. THERE ARE BLACK AND LATINO SCIENTISTS INVESTING IN
STEM, THEY ARE OUT THERE. CAL POLY POMONA PROVES IT. BUT AS A
WHITE MAN AND WHITE FOLKS, HOW DOES INCLUSION BENEFIT BENEFIT
YOU? IN CALIFORNIA, IN CALIFORNIA PUBLIC SCHOOLS RIGHT
NOW, 50 PERCENT OF KINDERGARTENERS ARE LATINO. 74
PERCENT OF ALMOST ALL STUDENTS ARE NON-WHITE. THEY ARE THE
MASS BASE OF THE POPULATION IN CALIFORNIA, AND THEY ARE
GROWING. I KNOW IT SOUNDS SCARY. THEY ARE ONLY GROWING.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE WAY STATES RUN, YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR
ROADS AND THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING IN THE STATE. IF
THAT IS YOUR MASSIVE BAIT AND BASE AND YOU ABANDON THEM, AND
THEY NEVER GET TO COLLEGE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OUR
CHILDREN, OR LIVE IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN, OR YOU ARE
INVESTED IN THE SUPREMACY AND GOODNESS OF YOUR KIDS AND YOU
THINK THEY DESERVE A JOB AND NOT THEM. IF YOU ABANDON THAT BASE,
YOU WILL CREATE A DIVISION BETWEEN THE RICH AND THE POOR,
AND THEY NEVER GET TO COLLEGE, AND THEY DON’T GET A GOOD-PAYING
JOB. IF THEY DON’T GET A GOOD-PAYING JOB, YOU CANNOT TAX
THEM. THAT’S RIGHT. IMAGINE HOW MASSIVE THIS BASE IS. IF
YOU CANNOT TAX THAT BASE, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO
THE STATE COFFERS, YOU ARE GOING TO DISRUPT YOUR STATE, OR FORCE
A SMALL ELITE OF WEALTHY RICH FOLKS TO FOOT THE BILL, THEY ARE
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT FOREVER. THAT’S A STRAIN THAT
IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. SO IF YOU INVEST IN THAT BASE,
THEY MAKE IT TO COLLEGE, THEY GET GOOD JOBS, YOU TAX THEM, AND
WE BECOME WEALTHIER AS A STATE, WE GET BETTER ROADS AND FUNDING
FOR THE UNIVERSITY, CONSIDER I LIKE THAT. AND THERE ARE
ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS. IF THAT BASE OF CALIFORNIAENS NEVER MAKE
GOOD MONEY, THEY CANNOT QUALIFY FOR CREDIT TO BUY YOUR HOUSES.
SO AGING WHITE POPULATION, YOU WANT TO RETIRE AND SELL YOUR
HOUSE ON THE MARKET AT THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE PRICE, IF THERE
ISN’T COMPETITION THERE. IF THERE ISN’T A BASE THERE, WITH
MONEY AND GOOD CREDIT THAT CAN DRIVE THE COST OF YOUR HOUSE UP,
IT IS GOING TO SIT ON THE MARKET AND IT IS GOING TO LOSE MORE
THAN MONEY, LOTS AND LOTS, AND THEN BACK IN THE SAME SITUATION.
YOU NEED TO INVEST IN THOSE KIDS, IN INVEST IN THAT FUTURE,
AND INVESTING IN THEM IS INVESTING IN YOURSELVES. IF YOU
ARE A WHITE PERSON AND WHITE MALE, IT IS IN YOUR INTEREST AND
GOOD FOR ALL OF US. THE RISING TIDE WILL LIFT ALL OUR BOATS.
(APPLAUSE). >>THOSE ARE AMAZING REPLIES.
AND THERE IS BAKED INTO THIS SENSE THAT SOCIETY IS LIKE A
PIE. IF SOMEBODY GETS MORE, I GET LESS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE,
WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER AND THERE’S PLENTY FOR EVERYONE AND
IF WE ARE ALL MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER AND LEARNING FROM EACH
OTHER, IT ENRICHES ALL OF US. SO BESIDES THE ECONOMIC
ARGUMENT, I’M ADDING ON, THERE IS THIS OTHER THING THAT IT IS JUST, WE DON’T HAVE
THIS ZERO-SUM MINDSET ABOUT IT AS WELL.
>>AWESOME. >>(APPLAUSE).
>>SO I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR A SPECIFIC PANELIST. MAYOR
HARMON. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO LIFT WOMEN OF COLOR TO BECOME
POLITICAL LEADERS? >>WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?
>>IT READS: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HELP LIFT UP WOMEN OF COLOR
TO BECOME POLITICAL LEADERS?
>>OKAY. SO PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF THIS QUESTION, THE ANSWER IS
WE LACK SO MUCH DIVERSITY IN THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE DONE A
LOT TO LIFT UP WOMEN IN GENERAL AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO RUN FOR
OFFICE, SHARE THEIR SPACE AND SHARE THEIR VOICE. I’M
COMMITTED TO BEING A PART OF THE SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE AND DOING
EXACTLY THAT. SO I ATTENDED THE EVENT THAT THE
STUDENTS OF COLOR PRIMARILY PUT ON A COUPLE WEEKS GO AT THE
PARK, AND JUST WENT THERE JUST TO LISTEN. AND SO REALLY, I
TRIED TO HEAR FIRSTHAND FROM THOSE STUDENTS WHAT IS YOUR
EXPERIENCE AND WHAT CAN I DO? AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT,
AS I’VE SAID, THAT I AM STRUGGLING WITH EXACTLY WHAT
THAT IS. AND SO, THAT’S NOT TO EVADE THE QUESTION. BUT HERE’S
THE OTHER PIECE: SO WE DON’T WANT TO WAIT. WE WANT TO DO
THIS WITH SPEED, AND WHAT I HAVE NOTICED IS, IF I MOVE AHEAD ON
THIS ISSUE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH EDUCATION, I GO
IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. SO I HAVE REACHED OUT TO STUDENTS, I
FEEL LIKE I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH STUDENTS
IN GENERAL, I SHOW UP FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE MARGINALIZED
ON CAMPUS AND IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I WOULD BE OPEN AND WILLING
TO SUPPORT WOMEN OF COLOR, IN PARTICULAR, COMING UP TO INTERN
OR TO HAVE A NEXUS AT THE CITY OR ANY OF THE WORK THAT I’M DOING.
>>THANK YOU. >>WHAT CAN STUDENT BYSTANDERS
DO TO DISCOURAGE THESE INCIDENTS AND MAKE STUDENTS FEEL SAFER HERE?
>>SPEAK UP, POINT IT OUT, NAME IT, SO IF YOU CANNOT NAME IT,
GET THE EDUCATION, GO TO A TRAINING, AND MOST OF ALL, NEVER
TELL SOMEONE WHO COMES TO YOU, NEVER ASK THE QUESTION, ARE YOU
SURE? THAT’S A REALLY ROUGH QUESTION TO GET WHEN YOU’RE
POURING YOUR HEART OUT, SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH SOMEONE,
AND SOMEONE ASKS, ARE YOU SURE THAT HAPPENED TO YOU. SO THOSE
ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH.
>>I THINK MAYBE, LIKE, THE OTHER THING DEERFT TO DO IS TO
MAKE IT SO THAT IT IS NOT — THE WAY THAT STUDENTS OF COLOR ARE
MADE TO FEEL WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN, THAT THAT SAME FEELING
OF BEING OUTSIDE OF THAT GROUP, OR OUTSIDE OF THAT SPACE, THAT
THAT IS HOW PEOPLE WHO DO THESE THINGS FEEL, THAT THEY DO NOT
FEEL EMBOLDENED, AND THEY FEEL THE, OH, I’M GOING TO ACTUALLY
FACE BACKLASH FOR THESE THINGS, AND I DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE AND
I DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO THESE THINGS WITHOUT CONS
CONSEQUENCES. >>NEXT QUESTION.
>>HOW DO WE REACH OUT TO SPACES SUCH AS FRATERNITIES WHERE
PEOPLE ARE NOT READY TO ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION?
>>I WILL ANSWER IS. >>HOW DO WE REACH OUT TO SPACES
SUCH AS FRATERNITIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE A NOT NECESSARILY
ALREADY WILLING TO ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION? HOW DO WE REACH
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THE CHOIR? WHEN WE ARE SINGING TO
THE CHOIR, WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. HOW DO WE REACH THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT SECTOR? PARTICULARLY
FRATERNITIES, AS IT RELATES TO THIS QUESTION.
>>THAT’S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION. I THINK MY IMPULSE IS
TO SAY, YOU CAN ONLY TRULY REACH OUT TO SOMEONE WHO IS REACHABLE.
SO IF THEY REMAIN UNREACHABLE, THEN THERE IS VERY LITTLE YOU CAN DO.
WE MUST MAKE THE ATTEMPT. >>YES. STAN?
>>SO I CAN COME AT THIS IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO THE MUSTANGS UNITED MOVEMENT, EMPATHY AND RESPECT. SO WE ARE
WEARING THE STICKERS. WE ARE TRYING TO SET CAMPUS NORMS. AND
IF A VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, RIGHT, BELIEVE IN THESE NORMS,
IN BEING KIND AND, YOU KNOW, DECENT, THEN THAT — I THINK,
THAT CHANGES THE LANDSCAPE AND THAT CAN BE A WAY TO DRAW PEOPLE
IN WHO MIGHT TAKE LONGER TO COME AROUND.
>>THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?
>>YEAH. SO I THINK WHERE I WANT TO GO
WITH THAT QUESTION, I DON’T KNOW IF IT IS THE ANSWER, BUT I WANT
TO SAY WHAT I’M THINKING. WE HAVE CERTAIN VALUES. UNLESS WE
BRING IN STUDENTS WITH THOSE VALUES, WE WILL CONTINUOUSLY
HAVE THIS ISSUE. AND IF WE ARE HAVING A
CONVERSATION ON HOW DO WE REACH THESE STUDENTS, WELL, THAT MEANS
THAT THESE STUDENTS SHOULDN’T BE THERE, AND WE HAVE TO COME TO
TERMS WITH THAT AS A COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THESE
ARE OUR VALUES, IF YOU RESPECT THESE VALUES, IF YOU WANT TO
ENACT THESE VALUES, THIS IS THE PLACE FOR YOU.
IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN THESE VALUES, WHY ARE YOU HERE? (APPLAUSE).
>>SOME PEOPLE WANT THE STUDENT WHO DID BLACK FACE TO BE
EXPELLED. IS THERE ROOM FOR FORGIVENESS? ARE THERE OTHER REMEDIES FOR PEOPLE?
>>I THINK THERE CAN BE ROOM FOR FORGIVENESS WHEN THINGS LIKE
THIS HAPPEN. BUT THERE’S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO
THAT. I THINK YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THERE IS WILLFUL
IGNORANCE BEHIND DOING SOMETHING LIKE BLACKFACE. WE ARE IN 2018,
WE GO TO THE SCHOOL THAT WE GO TO, WE HAVE THE EDUCATIONAL
REQUIREMENTS THAT, IN THEORY, ARE SUPPOSED TO DISCOURAGE US
FROM DOING THINGS THAT. AND THAT STILL, THAT HAPPENED, AND
STILL, IT HAPPENED AGAIN. AND SO I THINK THAT, LIKE BRIAN WAS
SAYING, IT SHOULD PROBLEMATIZE WHAT PEOPLE’S INVESTMENTS ARE,
TO COME HERE AND SAY THEY DIDN’T KNOW, OR THEIR ACTIONS ARE
HAPPENING IN A RACK VACUUM. I THINK WE CAN FORGIVE WHEN PEOPLE
RECOGNIZE THEIR PRIVILEGES AND THEIR WRONGDOING, BUT I THINK
THAT ALSO, WHEN IS IT ENOUGH? WHEN IS IT, YOU SAID SORRY, I
WILL FORGIVE YOU. WHEN DOES THAT END AND ZERO TOLERANCE
BECOMES A NORM IN THE PLACE LIKE THE UNITED STATES, OR IN CAL
POLY, WHEN THEY ARE FOUNDED ON STRUCTURES WHERE THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO GO AHEAD AND — OH, IT’S FINE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT
FORGIVENESS, BUT IT DOES NOT COME WITH OTHER FUNE PUNITIVE
MEASURES, AND SAYING, OH, I’M SORRY, WILL NOT LET T HAPPEN AND
GO SCOT-FREE. FORGIVENESS IS NOT EXEMPT FROM PUNISHMENT IN
OTHER WAYS.
>>THANK YOU. >>PATRICK?
>>SO I HAVE BEEN HEARING THESE CALLS, OR SUGGESTIONS THAT WE
EXPEL STUDENTS IN THE PAST. AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A DIRECTION
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND CREATE. I’M NOT A LAWYER, I
TEACH PHILOSOPHY OF LAW, I WORK WITH LAWYERS, I HAVE AN
APPOINTMENT AT A LAW SCHOOL, BUT I’M PRETTY
SURE THAT, GIVEN HOW THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS AND HOW FREE SPEECH
LAWS ARE, IT IS NOT AN OPTION FOR A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY TO EXPEL
SOMEONE FOR NON-CRIMINAL HATE SPEECH. IT IS NOT JUST A LEGAL
POINT, BUT IT IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. SO NOT ONLY DOES, I
THINK, WOULD ADMINISTRATORS AND OTHER FOLKS NOT TAKE IT
SERIOUSLY, BUT IT MAKES OUR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS IN DIVERSITY
AND INCLUSIVITY LOOK UNREASONABLE. WHEN OTHER FOLKS
ENDORSE AND SUPPORT CALLS TO EXPEL A STUDENT, THAT LENDS
CREDIBILITY TO THEIR DEMANDS AND MAKES THEM SOUND MORE REASONABLE
THEY MIGHT BE, AND I’M AFRAID THAT ANCHORS OR
NAILED INTO PLACE AN IMPOSSIBLE BAR TO CLEAR, THAT IS GOING TO
MAKE PROGRESS THAT MUCH HARDER AND TURN LEGITIMATE FRUSTRATION
AND POSITIVE INTO INTO, YOU KNOW, SOMEPLACE DARKER AND LESS
PRODUCTIVE. SO I THINK FORGIVENESS IS ONE
OPTION, IF THAT’S YOUR BAG. BUT I THINK WE CAN BE CREATIVE AND
MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT SOME OF THESE RESPONSES. SOME OF THESE
SUGGESTIONS ARE JUST SO DIVISIVE THAT WE MIGHT BE ON THE SAME
SIDE, BUT IF WE’RE POSING SOMETHING
THAT, ON ITS FACE, LOOKS COMPLETELY ILLEGAL, OR IT
REQUIRES THAT WE REIMAGINE THE CONSTITUTION OF AMERICAN SOCIETY
WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS A VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT SPIRIT, AND
AS A PHILOSOPHER, I’M ALL FOR THAT. BUT TO SOLVE PRACTICAL
PROBLEMS TODAY, WE NEED TO GO BEYOND THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS AND
LOOK FOR MORE IMMEDIATE AND REALSTIC SOLUTIONS.
SO ONE — SO TO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, HOW WOULD YOU
ENGAGE A FRATERNITY IN THESE CONVERSATIONS? FIRST, BACKING
UP, I THINK IT MIGHT BE — WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO PAINT
ALL FRATERNITIES IN THE SAME BROAD STROKE. I THINK THAT IS
IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THE REAL SOLUTION IS
IN EMPATHY, LOVE, COMMUNITY-BUILDING, AND THESE
ARE HARD THINGS TO DO. AS YOU POINTED OUT, YOU HAVE TO PUT
YOUR EGO ASIDE. YOU HAVE TO BE BRAVE AND
COURAGEOUS. THERE IS NO RULE OR TRAINING REQUIREMENT WE CAN
FORCE ON TO AN ORGANIZATION, OR ANY GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE AT
LIBERTY TO ASSEMBLE AS YOU WOULD LIKE. I DON’T THINK A PERFECT
SET OF RULES IS WHAT MAKES A GOOD SOCIETY. IT IS RUN ON
COMMUNITY, AND EMPATHY, AND THAT TAKES HARD WORK. SO I’M
REMINDED OF THESE — IF ANYONE INVITES A GRATUITOUSLY OFFENSIVE
SPEAKER TO CAMPUS, I LIKE THAT PRESIDENT ARMSTRONG AND MAYOR
HARMON HAVE ORGANIZED THESE ALTERNATIVE EVENTS. AS
THIRST-QUENCHING AS IT IS TO EXPEL SOMEBODY, THERE ARE MORE
CREATIVE AND PRODUCTIVE WAYS TO GO. AND THESE COMMUNITY EVENTS
ARE WHAT GETS US OUT OF OUR SPACES AND ECHO CHAMBERS AND
START TO LEARN AND YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, YOU
GET TO KNOW THEM. I GREW UP IN THE SOUTH AND KNOW SOME
HARD-CORE RACISTS AND HAVE SEEN MY FAIR SHARE OF HATEFUL STUFF,
BUT I HAVE SEEN HATEFUL AND RACIST PEOPLE MELT. THEY CAN
CHANGE AS THEY GET TO KNOW OTHER PEOPLE. TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION, ONE WAY TO GO IS, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE A
FRATERNITY IN PROXIMITY, YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER WITH ANOTHER GROUP
AND YOU SHARE A TABLE, OR A MEAL WITH THEM. AND AS MAYOR HARMON
HAS SAID, DON’T BUILD HIGHER WALLS, BUT BIGGER TABLES. SIT
DOWN AND GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. THIS IS A PROBLEM IN MY WORK.
IT IS INTERDISCIPLINARY, I DO TECHNOLOGY ETHICS, AND THEY SAY,
HOW DO YOU GET TECHNOLOGY PEOPLE TO TALK WITH HISTORY AND
PHILOSOPHY AND LITERATURE FOLKS? IT STARTS WITH THE HARD WORK OF
GETTING TO KNOW SOMEONE, SHARING A MEAL, OR A DRINK. THAT IS ONE
OF MANY WAYS YOU CAN GO. YOU CANNOT REGULATE COMMUNITY. YOU
HAVE TO — IT TAKES WORK AND IT HAS TO GROW ORGANICALLY.
>>I’M SORRY, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. THE NOTION THAT
SOMEHOW, BECAUSE SOMETHING MAY OR MAY NOT BE ILLEGAL, LIKE
REGULATING FREE SPEECH, THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK AND THE NOTION
OF A LEGAL FRAMEWORK, IF THAT’S YOUR FRAMEWORK TO APPROACHING
RACE, YOU HAVE IGNORED HISTORY. WHAT IS LEGAL IS A CONSTRUCT OF
POWER, AND IT IS A CONSTRUCT OF THE POWERFUL WHO ARE MAKING
LAWS. IF YOU ARE A WOMAN IN AMERICA, YOU KNOW THIS
INTIMATELY. THESE ARE ABORTION LAWS, SO A LEGAL
PREMISE AS WHAT IS REASONABLE AND UNREASONABLE HAS BEEN TONE
DEAF WITH HARD TO RACISM IN AMERICA, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT VERY
LONG AGO THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL FOR INTER-RACIAL MARRIAGE IN
VIRGINIA. (APPLAUSE).
>>USING A LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT IS NOT IS
A FELLACY, IF WE WANT, WE CAN GO BACK TO AQUINAS. AN UNJUST LAW
IS NO LAW AT ALL. THERE IS ROOM FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AND WHAT
IS LEGAL IS OFTEN, THOUGH NOT ALWAYS, A CONSTRUCT AND A
REFLECTION OF CONSTRUCTS OF POWER. IT IS PEOPLE WITH POWER
MAKING THOSE RULES AND THOSE LAWS, AND OFTEN THEY ARE UNJUST.
SO THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK AND ATTACHING A NOTION OF
REASONABILITY AND CREDIBILITY TO STUDENTS THAT ARE MAKING A
REQUEST TO EXPEL SOMEONE FROM A COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE TO ENTERTAIN
IT. AND YOU CANNOT HIDE UNDER THE CONSTRUCT OF, WELL, THIS IS
LEGAL. AGAIN, IF WE HID BEHIND THAT, THERE WOULD BE NO PROGRESS
WITH REGARD TO AMERICA IN RACE AND INCLUSION. BRIAN’S MARRIAGE
WOULD BE ILLEGAL IF WE THROUGH THREW UP OUR HANDS ANDED IT IS
ILLEGAL. AND WHETHER WE WIN OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT THING.
THERE’S A 5-4 SPLIT IN THE SUPREME COURT. BUT WE HAVE TO
DO WHAT RIGHT. SOMETIMES WHAT IS LEGAL IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT OR
RIGHT. WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO WHAT IS RIGHT OR JUST, EVEN IF IT IS ILLEGAL.
>>TO QUICKLY RESPOND TO JOSE, I AGREE WITH MUCH OF THAT. I KNOW
THAT UNJUST LAWS EXIST, AND IT IS UP TO US TO CHALLENGE THEM.
FOR HERE, I DON’T KNOW THAT LIBERTY IS ONE OF THOSE UNJUST
VALUES OR LAWS. IT HAVE BEEN HAS BEEN UNEQUALLY GIVEN AND
APPL APPLIED, BUT, AS A PRINCIPLE, THEORETICALLY, IT
LOOKS PRETTY AGNOSTIC TO RACE, GENDER, AND ALL THAT. SO I
WOULD SAY, I WOULDN’T AGAIN I WOULD ALSO BE CAREFUL NOT TO
PAINT LEGAL REGIMES WITH A BROAD BRUSH.
JUST BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION WAS CREATED BY A BUNCH OF OLD
WHITE MEN WITHOUT CONSULTATION OF OTHER GROUPS DOES NOT
INVALIDATE ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO I THINK THAT IS PART OF —
THAT’S THE TRICKY PART. RIGHT? I APPRECIATE THAT IDEALISM, BUT
I THINK THAT WE ALSO NEED TO BE GUIDED WITH SOME REALISM BECAUSE
THE RISKS ARE REAL. SO LET’S SAY WE WERE TO EXPEL A STUDENT,
HIT WITH A LAWSUIT, INEVITABLY IT WOULD GO TO THE SUPREME
COURT, YOU ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY A DOWNSIDE OF TENS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MONEY THAT COME OUT OF STUDENT GROUPS
AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT CAN BE FUNDED. IN THE MEANTIME, IF WE
EXPELLED OTHER STUDENTS, THINKING THAT CAL POLY IS THE
TEST CASE WHERE WE RE-INVENT FREE SPEECH LAWS, THAT — AGAIN,
THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, BUT I DON’T
KNOW IF IT IS UP TO ANY OF US TO TAKE THAT KIND OF RISK FOR THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSITY. YOU MADE AN ECONOMIC ARGUMENT EARLIER, THAT
MONEY MATTERS, YOU HAVE TO RAISE REVENUE, AND A UNIVERSITY IS A
BUSINESS. IT NEEDS TO RUN ON MONEY. AND I THINK IT IS A VERY RISKY STRATEGY TO — IT IS NOT
IMPOSSIBLE, OR UNWORTHY, BUT IT IS A HIGHLY RISKY STRATEGY TO
CHALLENGE WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS, THE LEGAL CONSENSUS IS, HERE IS
HOW FREE SPEECH WORKS. THERE’S A REAL DOWNSIDE, IT IS NOT JUST
A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE. IT IS A MATTER OF SOME GROUPS MIGHT GO
OUT OF EXISTENCE BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE CAMPUS FUNDING. THAT
MIGHT BE A RISK YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE, BUT IS THAT A RISK THAT
AN ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD TAKE FOR ALL OF THE CAMPUS?
>>SO PAT, YOU WILL EXCUSE ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING
THAT RACISM IS TOO EXPENSIVE TO FIGHT.
>>(APPLAUSE). >>AND WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF CONCERNED ABOUT FIGHTING RACISM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE FRAMEWORK OF
THE LAW. IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, THE 13TH AMENDMENT OF THE
CONSTITUTION, BY POPULAR UNDERSTANDING OF IT, ABOLISHES
SLAVERY. BUT IF YOU READ VERY CAREFULLY, IT DOES NOT ABOLISH
IT EVERYWHERE. THE 13TH AMENDMENT, THIS IS TO ILLUSTRATE
MY POINT, IT ABOLISHES IT EVERYWHERE EXCEPT AS A
PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME. IT IS EVERYWHERE EXCEPT THE PRISON
SYSTEM. AND NOW, IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO
MIGHT CONNECT SLAVERY AND PLANTATIONS WITH WHO IS IN
PRISON OR THE PRISON SYSTEM? I’M NOT SAYING THEY ARE A
CONSPIRACY, THEY ARE CONNECTED.
IF YOU SAY THE LAW IS NEUTRAL, THEN YOU ARE SUPPORTING THESE
SYSTEMS. I’M NOT SURE THAT IT IS COSTLY OR READY FOR THAT
FIGHT. BUT HERE IS AN INTERESTING CONSTITUTIONAL
QUESTION THAT IS RAISED BY INCIDENTS OF BLACK FACE. THE
FIRST AMENDMENT IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT. THE MINUTE YOUR
SPEECH IS HARASSMENT, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE TARGETED
HARASSMENT, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF IN THE DEPARTMENT
OFFICE I START MAKING A BUNCH OF SEX JOKES AND THEY ARE NOT
DIRECTED AT A WOMAN OR ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, AND SOMEONE FEELS
HARASSED, THEY CAN SAY SOMETHING. IF I CONTINUE IT,
THEN IT IS NO LONGER FREE SPEECH. IT IS HARASSMENT.
THAT IS THE LEGAL QUESTION THERE.
AND THE QUESTION OF HARASSMENT RAISES THE OTHER AMENDMENT, LIKE
THE 14TH AMENDMENT, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE 13TH, AND NOW
THE 14TH. THAT HAS AN EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE IN IT. AND
NOW THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION.
DOES AN INDIVIDUAL HAVE A GREATER RIGHT TO THE FIRST
AMENDMENT, OR DO GROUPS OF PEOPLE HAVE GREATER RECOGNIZES
UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO BE FREE FROM TARGETED HARASSMENT? I
DON’T KNOW. I’M NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER, BUT I
THINK IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
I ALSO DON’T THINK THAT RACISM IS TOO EXPENSIVE TO FIGHT.
(APPLAUSE). >>AND WE’RE GETTING CLOSE TO
THE END, YOU ALL, AND I THINK — BRIAN, LET’S LET YOU HAVE THE
LAST WORD. >>I JUST WANTED TO ACTUALLY, WE
ARE REALLY DOING REAL AND RAW TALK.
>>IT IS REAL AND RAW TO ME. >>[ CHUCKLING ].
>>SO, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF A
CONSEQUENCE AND IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU PROPOSE OF
BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE TABLE AND LOVE, EMPATHY, AND RESPECT,
THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE GENUINE AND AUTHENTIC.
AND TOO MANY TIMES, ON THIS CAMPUS, ON MANY CAMPUSES, WE TRY
TO PUT THE ONUS ON PEOPLE OF COLOR TO DO THE EDUCATION. AND
WHEN WE BRING, LET’S SAY, SOME TRADITIONAL WHITE FRATERNITIES
TO THE TABLE WITH STUDENTS OF COLOR, THEIR EXPERIENCE BECOME
TOKENIZED. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO
ACTUALLY PUT A STOP TO. WHEN IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
THE PRIVILEGED TO DO THE WORK?
BECAUSE, ONE DAY I WANT TO RETIRE AND BE DONE FROM THIS
WORK. I LOVE THIS WORK, AND IT FEEDS MY SOUL. AND IT IS ALSO
TIRING. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF
MY PRIVILEGED COLLEAGUES DOING SOME OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE.>>THANK YOU. OKAY. (APPLAUSE)(APPLAUSE).
>>THIS IS IT. >>TOADD TO BRIAN’S POINT, I
HAVE A WHITE MALE COLLEAGUE, SINCE WE ARE GOING REAL AND RAW,
SAYING IT IS NOT MY JOB TO DO THIS BECAUSE I TEACH MATH, OR
CHEMISTRY, RIGHT? SO I DON’T HAVE TO DO THIS WORK.
AND WHAT I’M GOING TO SAY IS IT IS ALL OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
DO THIS WORK, BECAUSE WE TEACH STUDENTS.
>>YES! >>(APPLAUSE).
>>AND ONE MORE THING, THE CONSEQUENCE — THE CONSEQUENCE
THAT I HAD TO BRING UP. SO GREEK LIFE, HERE IN THE HOUSE?
(APPLAUSE). >>SO AS WE WERE THINKING OF A
COPSE CONSEQUENCE AND REALLY GIVING BACK TO THE INSTITUTION,
YOU KNOW A LOT OF PHILANTHROPY AND A LOT OF FUND RAISING, THAT
MONEY CAN GO INTO THAT DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION AND REALLY
CORRECTING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE
INSTITUTION. THAT WAS MY CONSEQUENCE. THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU, ALL. THANK YOU, LEILLEILANI, JOSE, BRIAN, HEIDI,
STAN, ANDAND PATRICK. THANK YOU.
(APPLAUSE). THANK ALL OF YOU ARE COMING FOR
LISTENING, HEARING, AND ENGAGING. THIS IS THE BEGINNING
OF WHAT CONSIDER HOPE TO BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ONGOING
CHANGE. I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR
ADMINISTRATION, AND I REALLY — I AM NOT YET PART OF THE FABRIC
FOR THIS ENVIRONMENT BURT, AT A CONSULTANT, I HOPE TO BECOME
CLOSER. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE INVESTED, AND I CAME TO
SEE THAT, TOO. I DIDN’T JUST COME, IT IS REAL AND RAW. I
DIDN’T COME TO GET PAID AND DO MY THING. I CAME TO SEE WHAT IS
REALLY, REALLY HAPPENING HERE AND I CANNOT INVEST WHERE I
DON’T SEE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT POURING IN. AND I
HAVE — I HAVE SEEN INVESTMENT FROM DR. ARMSTRONG. I HAVE SEEN
INVESTMENT FROM JOSIE, AND FROM YOUR ADMINISTRATION, TOP-DOWN,
AND SOMETIMES THINGS, LIKE THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING
ON YOUR CAMPUSBEGIN AND CHANGE AND
MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. ONE OF THE THINGS
ON THE CAMPUS I WORK ON AND I BELIEVE IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THWARTS CHANGE. WE HAVE
ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY. BUT IT IS TIME TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY. I
FEEL IT IN THE ROOM, IN THE CAMPUS, AND WITH YOU ALL. THANK
YOU SO MUCH

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