This Is What Winning Looks Like (Full Length)

This Is What Winning Looks Like (Full Length)


EDDY MORETTI: Hi, I’m
Eddy Moretti. Today, I’m with Ben Anderson,
who’s an independent filmmaker of documentaries and a writer. You have a book out right now
called “No Worse Enemy.” Ben has been working with us at
Vice for a number of years. He’s also been reporting
from Afghanistan for a number of years. He was first embedded with
British forces around 2007. [GUNFIRE] -Is anybody hit? -Is anyone hit? EDDY MORETTI: But he recently
made a trip to Afghanistan in December of 2012. So we’re going to watch Ben’s
new documentary, which is called “This Is What Winning
Looks Like.” It’s a shocking and an eye-opening look at the
state of Afghanistan today. BARACK OBAMA: Tonight, I can
announce that over the next year, another 34,000 American
troops will come home from Afghanistan. This drawdown will continue. And by the end of next
year, our war in Afghanistan will be over. [APPLAUSE] GENERAL ALLEN: Afghan forces,
defending Afghan people and enabling the government
of this country to serve its citizens. This is victory. This is what winning
looks like. And we should not shrink
from using these words. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: You know, over
here, you’ve got a PB commander who we know is
kidnapping boys and sexually molesting them. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: So try doing
that day in and day out, working with child molesters. It wears on you after a while. BARACK OBAMA: International
troops will continue to train, advise, and assist the
Afghans and fight alongside them when needed. But we will shift into
a support role as Afghans step forward. But we must finish the job we
started in Afghanistan and end this war responsibly. EDDY MORETTI: This is what the
American military is saying and the American government. But you don’t believe
it, because you’ve seen to the contrary. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah, and the
British and American Marines on the ground don’t
believe it either. I mean, all it is now is about
getting out and saving face. And we’re not leaving because
we’ve achieved our goals. We’re leaving because
we’ve given up on achieving those goals. That’s the only goal now
is to somehow look good as we pull out. It could even be worse than that
because all the fighting has been to introduce a corrupt,
hated, and feared government, who in some areas
make the Taliban look like the good guys. And when you remember that the
Taliban were welcomed into power in the mid ’90s because
they looked like the good, just Muslims in comparison to
the warlords, it feels eerily similar today. -I’ll go ahead and give you guys
a quick class on hygiene and cleanliness of the PB. The big thing is separating
where you shower, eat, use the restroom. You want to keep it separate. So if you’re eating, or you
just showered where you’re using the restroom, you pretty
much just put all that bacteria you just got rid of and
put it right back on your skin, using your hands to eat. It’s just going right back in
your system, and it’s going to cause sickness, diseases. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Let me explain one
more thing. We’re taking time out of our
lives, the Marines are. OK, everybody here is taking
times out of our lives to come down here, away from our
families, to help you guys. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -We’re not here to
offend anybody. If we say something that
may offend you, we apologize ahead of time. Let us know, and we’ll fix it. BEN ANDERSON: Everyone believes
the training is being accelerated now as we leave. The training is almost
non-existent now. Most of the forces are pulled
back to the main bases, which they never leave. Because, as I say, the people
on the ground, I think, have given up on there being
any chance of success. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So they’ve got
four secret prisoners who they stuffed in the furthest room
and filled the door with sandbags who they were trying
to hide from the Marines. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -They are so hungry. -How long have they
been there? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -OK. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Oh. There’s four guys. -Four? -Yeah. -Tell them I was going to the
bathroom back there, and I heard voices back in the
corner [INAUDIBLE]. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Can we see if they’re in our
system with the eye scan? Can we do the eye scan? -These guys? -Yeah. Can we take them out and see if
they’re in our system, see if they’re– -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Who? Who dropped them off? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Can we give them water? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE]? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Just wait? -Right. EDDY MORETTI: Doesn’t the US
military have more capable resources to do– this is
literally nation building from the psyche up. BEN ANDERSON: Well, the idea’s
always been fight your way into a town, clear
the Taliban out. Then all these other people come
in to train the Afghans in governance and build
infrastructure and so on. That other bit rarely ever
happens and certainly doesn’t happen anywhere near as much
as it should be happening. So it’s left to guys like him,
who as you say are trained to fight, not to do all these very complicated, difficult jobs. And later that day, a local
politician arrived. He was the man behind the
taking of the prisoner. -Was the purpose of the whole
mission, the operation last night, just to go get
his brother back and get those Taliban? Or was there another mission,
and they just happened to get these guys? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -If he– he can only
arrest Taliban. That’s what that warrant was
for, was for the Taliban that kidnapped his brother. Kidnapping their brothers is
just the same as kidnapping any random person. It’s kidnapping. It’s a crime. It’s not legal to kidnap
just any person. Only if they’re Taliban,
and they catch them. Other than being the brothers
of the Taliban who kidnapped his brother, they haven’t
done anything wrong. They haven’t committed
a crime. So they cannot be arrested if
they haven’t done anything wrong themselves. Just because they’re the
brothers of the Taliban does not mean that they are
Taliban themselves. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: This shows
how powerless they are. They don’t really know. All they know is four guys have
been illegally taken and are being illegally detained,
not fed, not given water. And it’s being hidden
from them. They’re playing catch-up
all the time. That’s all they can do. The Marines I was with turned up
to spend the night at this patrol base. But the Afghan police had pulled
the security barrier down and were selling
it as scrap metal at the local bazaar. So they had no security
whatsoever in their base. So the Marines couldn’t stay. -Looks like they just took
them out of here. So they were still here,
but I don’t know where they are right now. You’ve got to find out where
to draw the line as far as where you want to try to make
them, and we don’t want to make them into American
police. That’s not the intent
of being over here. But we also want to teach them
just the human rights piece of it, that if you do have a
detainee or a prisoner, that you still have to
give them water. BEN ANDERSON: So while the
Marines were somewhere else, they snuck them into the back
of the truck and snuck them out the gate. [CAR HORN] BEN ANDERSON: It’s sort of a
slightly half-hearted effort to make them stop because they
haven’t got the power to make them stop. -I got a good look
at two of them. Two of them had their
face covered up. So we can still look at
the head pictures, see who they might be. -Hey, if you don’t have your
gear on, get it on. BEN ANDERSON: So after the truck
went out with the four detainees in the back, three
surrounding police patrol bases came under attack
from the Taliban. [GUNFIRE] -South-southeast. -How far? -At least 300 meters. BEN ANDERSON: As soon as the
Taliban see the US Marines’ truck somewhere, they
don’t attack it. They only attack
the weak spots. Although some bullets eventually
came towards the watch tower that we were in. [GUNFIRE] -Hey, what are they
shooting at? -Talk to them, Dunlap. -There’s a truck coming in. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Don’t shoot until
you can see them. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] TRANSLATOR:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -He says they’re outside the
camp, and how can I see them. If I do shoot, they
will [INAUDIBLE]. -Wait ’til they come out. -Well, if you don’t see them,
then you can’t hit them with the bullets. You’re going to waste ammo. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Kids right at the tree line. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -You got any eyes over
there to the left? -Negative. -We’ve got nothing. -Here. -Where, sir? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: He was so angry
he couldn’t shoot. He just grabbed the big machine
gun, ran out the gate, and then just fired wildly. [GUNFIRE] -He’s just walking
and shooting. He’s not aiming at anything. -They ran to the corner? -Yeah, they’re just walking down
the alley, shooting at nothing. -What’s that? -They’re just walking down the
alley like this, shooting. [GUNFIRE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Not if we don’t have it. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] TRANSLATOR: If we run out of
ammunition, we will use these rocks to fight the Taliban. -All right. Good to go. BEN ANDERSON: This is another
patrol base where they’re advising the police. And on the police base, there’s
this huge weed plant like right next to their little
area where they’re– EDDY MORETTI: Did you see– BEN ANDERSON: Inside
the police base. EDDY MORETTI: Did you
see weed everywhere? BEN ANDERSON: Everywhere. Every police base has
got a little garden. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Well, you have two options. You can go to PHQ, and you can
tell them your situation. TRANSLATOR:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Or you’re going to have
to learn to work with what you have. But I recommend you go to PHQ
and tell them your situation. And show them that weapon and
demand that they give you more weapons to replace that. EDDY MORETTI: They don’t
understand that, yeah, actually, there has been
a transformation. We are supposed to
take the lead. They’re still expecting the US
forces to take the lead. BEN ANDERSON: And that’s what
amazed me is how it hasn’t got through to the Afghans yet. One Afghan soldier said to me,
oh, it’ll be great when the Americans leave because all the
money they had for weapons and equipment, we’ll
get that money. And I was saying– EDDY MORETTI: It doesn’t
really work like that. BEN ANDERSON: No, no, no. And also, someone, somewhere,
I’m sure has said, remember when we supported the Mujahideen
against the Russians, and remember we left
all those weapons there. And we had to spend years and
millions of dollars getting those weapons, particularly the
Stinger missiles, back. We’re not making that
same mistake again. So these guys have got AK-47s,
a few RPGs, unarmored pickup trucks, a few Humvees, which
are not safe enough for the Americans or British
to drive anywhere. And that’s all they’ve got. -Well, then, here’s the thing. We’re trying to get you to the
point where you can operate without heavily depending
on American help. But nothing is going to happen
until you sit down and you show us a plan. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -I hear great things
about you. You’re a good PB commander,
so you guys, you have a lot of men here. And I think you’re going
to do great things. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: And he eventually
gets through to him that you have to come up
with a plan yourself. Then you can do it, and we’ll
support you if need be. So they leave with the police
commander saying, OK, I’ll come up with a plan within a
few days, and we’ll do it. And a few days later, he just
vanished on leave, and no one’s heard from him since. No plan. EDDY MORETTI: No plan. -Put your helmet on, Sayid. Sayid, put your Kevlar
on, brother. BEN ANDERSON: At another patrol
base, as usual, they didn’t seem to want the Marines’
help or advice. -You can just have your guys
gather around right here. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -All right. Well, based on the sandbags
that we have, that’s all we got. So let’s go ahead and
fill those up. Once we have filled those up,
like I said, five of you guys will fill it up with sandbags. The other five is going
to help out and get the other one fixed. And then we’ll switch. Hey, if you guys don’t want to
do it right now, I completely understand it. But we’re here to help
you guys out. If you guys don’t
want our help, we’ll leave the sandbags. You guys figure it out. We’re taking our gear with us. We’re here to help you guys out,
to make your tower safer. That way, you guys don’t get
shot from all directions. All right? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Anywhere here? Huh? You’re going to check? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Yes or no. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]? Move out of the way. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [MINE SWEEPER TONES] BEN ANDERSON: Policeman at the
checkpoint was smoking weed, which is kind of normal. But two of the policemen filling
sandbags now are out of their brains on something
else, something stronger, opium or heroin, literally
nodding off as they stand up or sit down, filling
the sandbags. So while all that was happening,
someone fired a few shots at the watchtower
that they were filling sandbags for. [GUNSHOT] -Was that him? -[INAUDIBLE], what’s going on? -What’s he shooting at? [GUNSHOT] -What are you shooting at? What the fuck is that? -Maybe he’s shooting
back to the west. They don’t have positive ID. -What are you shooting at? What are you shooting
at, brother? -The PB commander
wants to shoot– -Where? —just a show of force,
[INAUDIBLE] copy. -Huh? You see Taliban? Where do you see Talis? Yeah, where? -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] TRANSLATOR: Taliban stay
in the garden, and some [INAUDIBLE] shoot past. -They’re in the garden, and
they’re shooting at us? -Yeah. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Pull the [INAUDIBLE]. BEN ANDERSON: They haven’t seen
who just shot at them. They just want to get some shots
fired back as a sort of show of force. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -What’s that? They’re in the garden? -In the garden. -You’ve got to make
sure you see them. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -You’ve got to make sure you
see them because you were firing rounds down there,
and you don’t know what you were firing at. You’ve got to see them
before you fire. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -But just like I’m saying, just
make sure you actually see somebody before you fire
because you don’t know what lies on beyond that. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Professionals don’t do that. Professionals make sure they
know their target and what lies beyond their target. Professionals don’t just
shoot out in the crowd. You’re supposed to
be professionals. You guys are professionals. That’s why you don’t do that. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: And then three
weeks later, the deputy commander got shot right
through his body and scraped his lungs. And the Marine medic saved him,
and they found a bag of heroin in his pocket. So I’m sure these guys
were on heroin. [BICYCLE HORN SQUEAKING] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Are you putting your men
back on the sandbags? You going to help them
carry them out here? TRANSLATOR:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: The lesson of the
day was filling sandbags. The police got bored of that
very quickly, pulled over a car at their checkpoint, and
just got some civilians and then some kids to fill and carry
the sandbags for them. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: This is
Major Bill Steuber. He’s in charge of the Police
Advisory Team, 18 Marines who go out to all these bases. He spends most of his time at
the police headquarters, trying to advise
the leadership. But the actual police chief
vanished eight days into his job, went on hajj, hadn’t been
seen at this point for two and a half months. The acting police chief has
also just vanished. And he’s got no idea where he’s
gone or what’s happening. BEN ANDERSON: And basically,
when these guys vanish, they often take all of their
commanders with them. So the last time this happened,
half of the police force in Sangin just vanished. So every time the US Marines
are alone with the Afghans, they have to have a
guardian angel. So one of them has got his rifle
cocked and his finger on the trigger, ready in case
there’s an insider attack. BILL STEUBER: You ever see the
TV show “The Sopranos”? It’s vast. Everything from skimming
ammunition off of their supplies to skimming fuel
off of their shipments. There’s false imprisonment. They’ll take people. During an engagement, they’ll
just wrap everybody up that was around it, and then they’ll
wait for the families to come in and pay them money
to be able to release them. All of these vehicles are
claimed on their monthly expenditures. So they’re getting fuel and
oil money for every single vehicle that you see,
even though obviously, they can’t run. They can’t operate. They only got a handful of
vehicles that operate. So in the district, I think
they have 25 vehicles, and maybe only 10 or 11 of
them actually work. But they’re collecting the fuel
money and oil money for all of the other vehicles,
even though they can’t actually operate them. Ammunition’s the same thing. We count the rounds when they
come off the vehicles here. And it’s usually the rounds,
the RPGs, that are getting sold in the bazaar. That’ll happen in transit,
because they know once they get it here and we take
inventory of it, we’re very watchful as to what’s going
on with that ammunition. This was taken up off
of a dead Taliban. What’s interesting is the guy
that was wearing this vest, when he came in, he was
in the back one of these trucks like this. And we went up to bring them a
white sheet, and they wouldn’t let us cover him. It was kind of disturbing. There was just a kid
sitting back there. Pissed and shit himself
and fucking bleeding all over and– yeah, it sucks. It sucks to see kids
get fucking shot. BEN ANDERSON: Did they say why
they wouldn’t give him a proper burial? BILL STEUBER: They said
he didn’t deserve it. And we brought the sheet for
him anyway, just because whether he’s a warrior– he’s still a warrior, you
know, and deserves to be treated like one,
even in death. But they didn’t seem
to think that way. So that was the first
time I’d seen that. EDDY MORETTI: What’s amazing
is he’s really candid about this, this soldier. BEN ANDERSON: He’s one
of those guys. He was more sort of emotionally
invested in this than anybody else. And he’s the one who I said
sometimes almost looked traumatized by what
he couldn’t do. I was kind of foist upon him,
and he had no choice but to let me go out filming
with him. But he’s one of those guys
who just couldn’t lie. I could ask him questions, and
you saw him really wrestling with a good way of saying it. But he just couldn’t
tell lies. And I really admired
him for that. BILL STEUBER: As an advisor,
you’re a dog with a lot of bark and not a lot of bite. So there’s some things that in
order to get the mission accomplished– I’m not going to say–
we don’t turn a blind eye to anything. We report everything. But there’s certain things that
normally, where you would just be like, hey, this
is just a no go. We’re not going to do this. That you, in order to get the
mission accomplished, in order for them to actually go out and
still hold security and hold PVs, you’ve kind
of got to let it go. Things like if we were go in
and shut down all of their schemes, all of their corruption
schemes, you would render them completely
ineffective. You take a look around– BEN ANDERSON: Really, really
disheartened, I think, by the end of this, because even when
guys were abducting and raping young boys and murdering them,
nothing happened as a result of his reports. He was reporting everything he
saw up to over 200 people in the chain of command. Nothing was ever done. BILL STEUBER: You’ve got guys
like this right here. That’s one officer, the
administrative officer and investigating officer, who
are here from Kabul. They’re academy trained
policemen, professional. They can read. They can write. They believe in the
rule of law. They believe in securing the
population and the people and treating them right. I mean, these are the guys that
are easy to work with. But then you have over here a
PB commander who we know is kidnapping boys and
sexually molesting them, robbing the people. He treats the people of Sangin
like a piggy bank that he can just shake and rob. And that’s really difficult. How do you work with
a guy like that? The natural part of an advisor
is you want to have the most effect on things. So it’s easy to go work with the
professional [INAUDIBLE] like this. But really, where we need
to be is working with guys like that. So try doing that day in and
day out, working with child molesters, working with people
who are robbing people, murdering them. It wears on you after a while. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So that’s
Hamid Khan, an Afghan Army commander. And he was the one note
of cautious optimism. And the US Marines said he’s the
best Afghan Army commander they’ve ever seen. Really good guy, really
motivated, had all the answers to the right questions. EDDY MORETTI: Not stoned? BEN ANDERSON: Not stoned. I think if he saw his– well,
there were quite a few soldiers that were stoned. But I think if he saw his men
doing things wrong, I think he would stop it. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: There are
all kinds of other issues with the army. They’re still completely
dominated by the northern ethnic groups. There are very few southern
Pashtuns, like 2% to 3% of the Army are southern Pashtuns. So a lot of southern Pashtuns
see the Afghan National Army as being almost as foreign
as we look to them. Back in 2001, 2002, we could
have created an actual national army. But it’s an exaggeration to
call this a national army. It’s not a national army. It’s the Northern Alliance. It’s the historical enemies
of the Taliban. -[CHANTING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: One thing you do
see with these guys is they’ve got pictures of Massoud
everywhere. EDDY MORETTI: Right, who
was the leader of the Northern Alliance. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah. EDDY MORETTI: But he was
just another warlord like the other ones. BEN ANDERSON: Well, you talk to
Afghans, and many Afghans will say, listen, you in
the West love Massoud. But when they shelled Kabul,
tens of thousands of civilians were killed. And entering into these
southern villages with pictures of Massoud everywhere
is almost like me driving around New York with a picture
of Bin Laden in the window of my car. That’s an exaggeration, but you
don’t look like the army who have come to protect and
serve when you come in with pictures of Massoud and pictures
of Dostum, who is probably the most brutal warlord
in Afghanistan’s recent history. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: There was a big
drive to try and get southern Pashtuns to join the national
police and the national army. It failed. And so they created
local militias. They’re called the Afghan
local police. Every village has got its
men of fighting age. They’re tough guys who protect
their village. Some are Taliban. Some are anti-Taliban. And we just said to all of
them, regardless of their history, if we put you on the
payroll, will you fight for us or not fight against us? And that’s what these
guys are. They’re the Afghan
local police. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: And some of the
local police didn’t look over 16 years old. So as soon as we start
walking towards this Taliban-controlled village,
they come under fire. [GUNFIRE] BEN ANDERSON: And straightaway
start shooting back despite not having any idea where
the Taliban are. They’re firing towards the
Afghan local police. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [GUNFIRE] BEN ANDERSON: So the ANA are
in the first village. They wanted to clear the first
village, which is still controlled by the Taliban. It’s incredible to think that
there’s still a village within two miles of the main base in
Sangin where foreign forces first arrived over six years ago
that’s still controlled by the Taliban. But they’re hoping to clear
this village today. And there’s a village on the
north side of the river which is also Taliban-controlled. But they’re hoping to collect
the local elders and persuade them to join Afghan security
forces, the Afghan government, and reject the Taliban and let
these guys establish a permanent presence here. At the minute, they’re firing
lots of rounds but don’t seem to be shooting at anything. -Sniper. [GUNFIRE] BEN ANDERSON: That guy who’s
just firing as if he’s having a fit, three days later fled
with loads of weapons, a few rockets, planning to
kill the commander. EDDY MORETTI: Why? BEN ANDERSON: He defected
to the Taliban. EDDY MORETTI: Holy shit. BEN ANDERSON: Insider attacks
against Americans and British have got lots of headlines. It’s far worse, insider
attacks against Afghans, far worse. And he had three people working
with them, and they either lost their courage
or something. But they were still within that
army unit, and no one knows who they were. [GUNFIRE] BEN ANDERSON: So there’s a
balloon in the sky that films everything. They’ve got them all
over Afghanistan. EDDY MORETTI: Whose
balloon is it? BEN ANDERSON: American. And they’ve got these cameras
that, you know, night vision, thermal, which means you can
follow somebody for weeks. EDDY MORETTI: Kind of like
low-rent drones. They just sort of sit there. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah, exactly,
the same thing. But they can stay up there in
one place for weeks, just attached by one cable. So someone is watching
all of this. And he says, it’s four guys,
not sure if it’s Taliban. But as they were running away,
one of them ran out and planted a white flag in the
middle of all that firing. And that’s not a flag
of surrender. That’s the Taliban’s
flag, a white flag. EDDY MORETTI: Oh shit. BEN ANDERSON: And planted that,
and then they escaped. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -Fuck! -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] EDDY MORETTI: Why is he
collecting the casings? BEN ANDERSON: He’s an
old man who’s in the Afghan local police. But he hasn’t signed up and
registered yet, so he’s not getting paid. So he collects all the casings
to sell as scrap metal at the local bazaar. So the Marines accompanying
the ANA are not really advising at all. They let the ANA plan and
execute the operations themselves. And they’re just here just in
case things go badly wrong, and lots of people are
about to get killed. But apart from that, this
operation really is Afghan-led. And I’ve never seen
that before. I’ve seen lots of operations
where the claim has been it’s Afghan-led. But it’s a farcical claim. This really is an Afghan-led
operation. Good, good. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. -[FOREIGN LANGUAGE],
Taliban finish. -Finish. -No go Tali. -Run away. -Fuck you, Taliban. BEN ANDERSON: So at the end of
that operation, they walk back to the village where they
started, and they got the few remaining local elders together
and said, look, you need to give us some men, give
us some young men, form your own local police force, and
defend your village. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: That was pretty
amazing, to think that after all of this money and effort
and bloodshed, all we’re saying to villagers like these
guys is, we’ll give you a weapon, and you can
defend yourself. So we’re asking Afghans to pick
sides on the side of the Afghan government right as we’re
leaving and right as the Taliban are as strong as ever. And if I was an Afghan living
in Helmand province– EDDY MORETTI: It’s like, hey,
pick the losing side. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah, or– I wouldn’t pick any side. I’d be nice to whichever
strongman was in my garden at that point. Then, in the middle of all this,
there was a visit from the American ambassador and the
British deputy ambassador. I was told it was a
symbolic visit. Because Sangin has always been
known as the most dangerous town in Afghanistan. So the American and deputy
British ambassadors visited to show if they can visit this
hostile town of Sangin, then progress must be being made. They walked about 150 meters,
had lunch, had a briefing where they were given nothing
but glowing reports about how wonderfully everything
was going. -So you’re saying they’re not
staying and fighting. They’re starting to move out. -Yes, sir. A little bit earlier, here
specifically, because of some of the operations that have
been taking place are about to be, sir. We ripped out with 1-7 about a
month ago and significantly reduced a lot of the Marine
presence in Sangin and northern Helmand, and we’ve seen
ANSF continue to hold all those patrol bases throughout
Sangin. -The numbers may show that
there’s an increased frequency in the attacks. The effectiveness is far
less than ever before. People are talking about the
security may not be that good. And I showed a map of 2010 where
you can see the entire Sangin Valley is blocked red. And now, we talk about it
in pockets, [INAUDIBLE] entire district. And that’s a good thing. So there’s not that sustained
presence that we might have seen in the past. So again, it’s a continuing road
throughout the district. And it’s starting to expand. Working together, it’s across
all lines, exactly where we want Sangin to be right now. -Yes, sir. The advisor teams are really
taking hold in here. BEN ANDERSON: The ambassadors
want to visit Sangin because that shows that Sangin, the
most dangerous town in Afghanistan, is now
safer than it was. EDDY MORETTI: They’re
pretty out of touch. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah. It felt like they were there for
the photo op and to tick a few boxes and then leave. I mean, the Marine major who was
so open and honest about all the problems he’s having–
kidnapping, murder, drug abuse, child rape– he was there and had to sit
through this briefing, didn’t say a word. Wasn’t asked a single
question. EDDY MORETTI: That’s a
deliberate choice, not to ask him a question. BEN ANDERSON: Well, I guess
that the CO just wanted to present a very rosy picture. If they turned up, and they hear
that there’s child abuse, murder, drug– kidnapping all going on,
then the whole PR stunt has failed miserably. [MUSIC PLAYING] [LAUGHTER] -The government is
right behind you. -Thank you. Thank you. NIC HAILEY: Thank
you very much. Thank you. We’re very committed to
our relationship. -Hopefully [INAUDIBLE] Helmand and Kabul. -This is a small gift
of local citizens. BEN ANDERSON: So this is a
peace jirga that doesn’t involve the enemy. Only involves one side. And nothing was announced
or decided. I mean, the idea of a jirga is
people with opposing views come together, thrash it out,
and reach a consensus. JAMES CUNNINGHAM: I am here
today to come with the chairman of the High Peace
Council, Salahuddin Rabbani. He’s attending a peace
jirga here, an important event in Sangin. And I’ve been wanting to come
here for some time. This is my first visit to
Sangin, and I’ve been very impressed by what I’ve
seen so far. JAMES CUNNINGHAM: I don’t know
that we’d promised the Afghans that the country would be
rid of the Taliban. We’ve always understood, I
think, that there’s no way to end an insurgency, this
insurgency, through military means, especially since the
leadership enjoys its presence in Pakistan. So the prospect or the job is
not to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban, but to create a way
so that the insurgency ends and Afghanistan is secured. The Afghan security forces are
responsible for security lead over 75% of the population now
today, and that process will continue until they are in the
lead for the entire country. We have developed now a way to
move forward that will make Afghans responsible increasingly
for their own future and for their
own security and their own processes. And that is as it should be. I think post-2014, we can’t
really tell what will happen. The door is open, as I said
earlier, to a reconciliation process that will bring Taliban
back into Afghanistan if they choose to
take that path. And for our part, we intend
to continue assistance and partnership with the Afghans
going forward, if they wish. NIC HAILEY: We’re here today
to support the peace jirga here in Sangin, which is a
gathering of several hundred of the most important tribal
leaders from around this area to talk about peace and
reconciliation. I think peace involves people
making hard choices. And I think it’s about the
choices that people make, not about what label they
are carrying now. If the Taliban choose that they
want to participate in politics in Afghanistan, if
they choose to renounce violence, if they choose to
take part in elections in choosing of people’s leaders,
then any group that makes those choices can be part
of a settlement here. If they don’t make those
choices, if they set themselves up against the Afghan
state, then they won’t be part of the process. I think it’s as simple
as that. BEN ANDERSON: A few years ago,
I think we would have said, the Taliban are finished in
Afghanistan and will never again control the lives
of Afghans in any way. NIC HAILEY: I think we’ve always
been open to the idea that people who want to take
part in politics in this country who respect the
constitution, who respect the rights of people, have a right
to take part in politics in this country, just as in
any other country. BEN ANDERSON: I think I can
speak with confidence when I say that if you asked a lot of
local people here who are the bad guys in this area, they
would say the police, rather than the Taliban. How can you change that
perception in a fairly short amount of time? NIC HAILEY: I’m not
sure I agree with that perception, Ben. I think, again, talking to the
Marines who are here who are out on patrol with those
policemen every day, they say that the attitude of the Afghan
population here in Sangin has changed hugely
over the last few years. BEN ANDERSON: And then at the
end of the briefing, the helicopter out was delayed
by an hour and a half. So I said to them, go and talk
to Major Steuber for an hour. Just say, this won’t
affect your career. But go and speak to him and
ask him to tell you what’s really going on, just 200
meters down the road. They said, oh, he wouldn’t be
open and frank with us like he is with you. And they went and had a cup of
tea with their bodyguards instead, walked back on the
helicopter, and left. But you literally walk 200
meters out of the main gate, and you’ll see that it’s
not true at all. The exact opposite is true. So ISAF put out a statement
after this saying, the diplomats visited the once
insurgent hotbed of Sangin and saw first-hand the progress
being made there, which I think was the point of going
there, really, not to actually talk to guys like
Major Steuber. And certainly not to
talk to these guys. These guys are the elected
local officials. And the British are very proud,
they created this local council elected by 2,000
residents of Sangin. But I spent a whole day with
them, and not one of them had a single good thing
to say about what we’ve achieved there. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] EDDY MORETTI: That’s
pretty bad. BEN ANDERSON: And if anyone
would be pro foreign intervention, it would
be those guys, elected local officials. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: Before that
briefing had happened, Major Steuben knew that three young
boys had been shot dead on police patrol bases. All three of them were chai
boys, so young boys who had been abducted by the police
commanders and were used as servants– they served tea–
but also sex slaves. They were raped by the
police commanders. And you see them
on every base. You see several boys, sometimes
in uniform, sometimes not, but
13, 14 years old. It’s a very common
practice there. Three of them had been shot
dead by the police, one possibly by another chai boy. Nobody’s quite sure. And he’s just found out that a
fourth boy has been shot at point blank range in the leg
for trying to escape. And I was there, so he let me
follow him to meet the acting police chief and confront
him about this. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: Yesterday, we had
unfortunate news come in. A young boy, about 13, maybe
14 years of age, was shot. Now, there’s a couple things on
there that you and I have talked about. We’ve had all the PB commanders
in this very room about having young boys
and civilians on PBs. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] TRANSLATOR: I have mentioned
it more than 20 times. BILL STEUBER: I know. I know. Why was there a boy
on that PB? Why– what did that commander
say to you? QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: He’s saying the
boys want to be there. Which begs the question,
well, why would they be trying to escape? And in one case, one of them
tried to poison the policeman so that he could escape. And that’s what led
to him being shot. BILL STEUBER: We cannot
have children in PBs. We can’t have children even
wearing uniforms. But this one was yesterday. It’s against the law. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So this meeting
went on for an hour and a half, two hours. And as you can see, he’s not
interested in stopping this practice and doesn’t really seem
to think there’s anything wrong with this practice. BILL STEUBER: Let’s do this. Let’s get together and go out
there and get these kids out of these PBs and get them
back to their families. We’ll go in there early
in the morning. We’ll start going from
PB to PB to PB. And if they’ve got kids in there
in the morningtime, then we know that they’ve probably
stayed there overnight. We’ll free the kids, and we’ll
arrest the PB commanders. BEN ANDERSON: Eventually, maybe
to wrap up the meeting, he says, OK, I agree. We’ll go out. We’ll do a raid first thing
in the morning. I’m going to arrest these
commanders who are keeping chai boys. So Major Steuber thought he had
made a real breakthrough. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: I have things that
I could do to help you. You and I are in a position
right now to change this situation in this city. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: If you do this,
people will know that you are somebody who stands for
justice in this area. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: Let’s do this. OK? I’m serious. QHATTAB KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So Major Steuber
walked out of that meeting thinking this operation was
going to happen, thinking they were going to turn up there
first in the morning and arrest these guys. A few hours later, he got
a call on the radio. Can’t do it. Operation’s canceled. And to this day, no operation
has taken place to even question the police
commanders. EDDY MORETTI: How rampant
is this chai boy thing? BEN ANDERSON: Well, one of his
men, who cares less about this than he does, said to me, try
finding a police commander who doesn’t fuck young boys. Most of the patrol bases the
British and Americans fought so hard to establish have been
abandoned or handed over to the Afghans. Major Steuber, he’s bolstered
because the actual police chief has returned, a guy
called Ghuli Khan. And eight days into his job as
police chief of Sangin, he had just gone on hajj unannounced
and disappeared for 2 and 1/2 months. He’s been accused of keeping
chai boys in the past and been accused of corruption but said
he’s come back a new man. And Major Steuber really
thought he could make a difference. BILL STEUBER: There’s been
some things going on here since you’ve left that are
really driving a wedge between the police and the community. The biggest one going on site
was that thus far, you’ve had three children, young
teenagers– BILL STEUBER: There was one
boy killed in this PHQ. There was another boy killed
with a PKM across in [INAUDIBLE]. And we just had a 13-year-old
boy shot through the leg at [INAUDIBLE]. And there’s a fourth unconfirmed
report of a boy who serves tea. Up at [INAUDIBLE], there was a
fight between two PBs, and the boy that they were fighting
over, we have reports that he was shot in the face
and killed. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: We definitely
have to focus on these, because you can do 100 good
things and then have a policeman go and do something
like that, and the community, all they focus on is
the one bad thing. So I know that’s an
uncomfortable issue. And I know that’s nothing that
you would ever allow to have in your PBs. But that’s what’s
been happening here in your absence. TRANSLATOR:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BILL STEUBER: I also say that,
this is also something else that’s very good. These are all the patrolmen
who are ready for academy. BEN ANDERSON: This really gave
a feeling of optimism. He was sending 20 men off to
Lashkar Gah, the provincial capital, to get proper
training. They were going to come back
professional policemen. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: The day after they
went to Lashkar Gah for police training, six of them
got sent back because they failed the drugs test. So that was a Marine sweeping
the ground behind– EDDY MORETTI: Behind
the dudes walking. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah. Which sums up the situation
perfectly there. This was an operation to find an
IED factory that the police had got intelligence about. It turned out to be a derelict
building with one old Chinese rocket hidden in the corner,
which they got out. And then Ghuli Khan arrived
to give a speech to the local elders. His message was pretty
amazing. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] EDDY MORETTI: It’s kind of
really pathetic and fucked up. I mean, aren’t these people
just exhausted from years of this shit? BEN ANDERSON: But that’s
why they’re not going to pick sides. That’s why they’re just going to
try and have a quiet, easy life by being nice to whoever’s
in their backyard day to day. And at the minute, these guys,
and certainly us, are leaving very soon. The Taliban aren’t
going anywhere. So the idea they’re going to
stand up to the Taliban on their own is ridiculous. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: He’s saying that
despite this national army that’s been created, this
national police force that’s created, you’re on your own. And you need to not work, not
leave your village, and stay here and stop the Taliban from
entering your homes and firing from your homes. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: Supposedly, the
police and the army are there to protect these people from the
Taliban or at least drive a wedge between the people
and the Taliban. And he’s saying, defend
yourselves. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] EDDY MORETTI: Do you think any
of them might be Taliban as well, sitting there? BEN ANDERSON: Yeah. It wouldn’t surprise
me at all. Taliban aren’t this outside,
foreign, evil force that have come in. Most of the Taliban fight,
allegedly, within walking distance of their homes. There’s always some Taliban
there, always. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -That’s all you get. BEN ANDERSON: This was the third
Afghan Army operation that I followed. And it was very tense because
the guy who I pointed out earlier who fled with
loads of weapons– EDDY MORETTI: Yeah, the guy that
was firing like crazy. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah. One of Hamid Khan’s men was
arrested a few days ago with loads of weapons and a
lot of ammunition. And he was planning to kill a
number of the Afghan soldiers. He had three accomplices
who didn’t flee. And no one knew if they were
still planning on doing it. EDDY MORETTI: Double
agents or– BEN ANDERSON: This day, everyone
was really, even more than normal, watching
their backs. So everyone’s on the lookout. -If you think that he’s starting
to hold his soldiers back because we’re here,
let me know. Because I don’t want him to hold
his soldiers back because we’re here. [GUNFIRE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: In this operation,
they’ve got two local informers who they’ve
dressed up in army uniform, put balaclavas on, actually gave
them weapons later on. And they’re sweeping through a
village, and they just point out who they say are Taliban. And those guys get arrested. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] EDDY MORETTI: Is that a common
practice or a technique? BEN ANDERSON: Yeah, fairly. But the problem with that is
people can just point out their local rivals, rather
than actual Taliban. The other problem with that is
even if they’re genuinely Taliban, most of the people who
get arrested and detained get released because of money
paid to the right people or connections. The informer said this
man was the former Taliban general governor. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [RADIO CHATTER] GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: What often happens
is they get sent to Lashkar Gah, the capital, but
the prosecutor just throws it out for lack of evidence,
because there’s– EDDY MORETTI: There
is no evidence. BEN ANDERSON: There
is no evidence. It was claimed to me–
and again, I don’t know how true it is. It was claimed to me that the
police haven’t prosecuted a single successful case
in two years. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So we’ve now got
to start walking in the footsteps of the man in front
of us because this is the first band of IEDs that Afghan
soldiers have to walk through to get to the village that
they want to clear out. It’s a road covered in
pebbles, so it’s very easy to hide IEDs. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [MINE SWEEPER SQUEALING] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [EXPLOSION] -Fucker! -Ah, no problem, yeah. [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [MIND SWEEPER SQUEALING] -OK. BEN ANDERSON: The focus of the
operation became to remove this white flag, the flag
of the Taliban, not a flag of surrender. And it’s within view of one
of the patrol bases. So all they wanted to do was
take down this flag. And they had a few funny ideas
about how to do it. -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -You should. -The flag needs to come down. I agree. HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] -[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] HAMID KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So I think they
did nine IEDs in about an hour, which is unbelievably
quick. GHULI KHAN:
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] BEN ANDERSON: So meanwhile, back
at headquarters, Major Steuber is still wrestling
with the same terrible problems. BILL STEUBER: We’ve built
this PHQ here. We’ve got four towers, and we’ve
got a generator, and we’ve got a pump and gates
and concertina wire. But– [ECHOING] BILL STEUBER: –it’s empty. There’s no fuel here. And because of that, because
of this simple logistical need, they can’t get out. They’ve got 34 patrol bases
from all the way to the southern Green Zone all the way
to the northern Green Zone that they can’t get out to. If there’s anything that’s out
there that’s going to really jeopardize the security here,
it’s not going to be a lack of fighting well. It’s going to be something
as simple as this. Not having any fuel to be
able to get anywhere. Where the fuel comes into
is Lashkar Gah, which is generally a two-hour
drive away. And the southern part of the
southern Green Zone there, known as the page
area, is still controlled by the Taliban. So you can’t get a fuel
truck up here. It’s just too dangerous for them
to bring that much fuel to try and come up here and
refuel their tanks and refuel their vehicles. So what they have to do is they
have to sell the fuel down there in Lashkar Gah. And they sell the fuel, and
any time you start selling fuel or selling those types of
things, you open the door for corruption to be able to
enter into the process. And unfortunately, this
particular PHQ used to get about 20,000 liters
every month. And the spigot has literally
been turned off on them. BILL STEUBER: I don’t
remember the number. It’s nearly $1 million
worth of fuel. So whatever US $1 million
will buy in fuel. BEN ANDERSON: The government
of Kabul was saying because the police are stealing so much
fuel, we’re no longer going to give it to them. So they can’t move. They can’t go anywhere. There was a big fight the
night before, and they couldn’t get to it, because
they had no petrol. And the thing is, they just
assumed that the Marines would bail them out and give them
their petrol, which the Marines are now saying, it’s not
working like that anymore. You are on your own now. EDDY MORETTI: Right. So they’ve been stealing it for
years and getting it off the Americans, and now the
Americans have cut them off. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah. BILL STEUBER: We had a long
discussion with Sergeant Matine today about how somebody
goes about getting a commission within the AUP. He said it costs about 50,000
afghani, which is closer to US $1,000 to be able to get the
bribes paid in Lashkar Gah. And then it’s another US $4,000
to get bribes paid within MOI in Kabul, be able to
get them into the academy. So in order to become an
officer, just even a basic lieutenant here, costs $5,000. So that’s quite a steep
price for an Afghan. BILL STEUBER: No. No, not by that timeline. These are serious logistical
issues. And the difference being that
other militaries have educated people that are working
very complex systems. And this is a very
complex system. This right here, this generator
right here is a very complex piece of machinery. They don’t have the technical
know-how to be able to operate this and run it. They don’t have the systems or
organizational know-how to be able to get fuel through a
distribution center to be able to fill up this tank. I only have basically five
months to be able to teach them how to do this stuff. And then the next team’s going
to come in, and then we’re going to spend a month trying
to get– they’re going to learn with the AO for
another month. And then they’re going to have
their time here driving the bus, so to speak. And they still have
to learn all this process and how it goes. So our actual amount of time
that we have contact with them to be able to one, understand
their system and then be able to coach them through it and
help them be able to request the supplies and be able to have
a functioning logistical section, it’s a complicated
task for anybody. And makes it even more
complicated when you have a police force whose officers
can’t read or write. They can’t communicate
on paper. I mean, if everything’s
done by cell phone, there’s no tracking. There’s no record keeping. The system becomes wide open for
corruption, exploitation. You look on the roof of the
building right there. You can see the solar panels
that are up there. But when you go up there, and
you look at the solar panels, you see that they’re not really
connected to anything. And when you ask them, well,
where does this go? Who put this in here? They can’t answer
those questions. They don’t know how it works. And I’ve got policemen
on my team. I’ve got an administrative
officer. But I don’t have any solar panel
experts to be able to help them fix that out. So it’s left to guys like myself
and my team to try and figure out how to hook up solar
panels and tie it into an electrical structure
at a PHQ. BEN ANDERSON: The whole policy
is designed as if everyone was educated, literate, there was a
permanent police force there for years, as if the Taliban
were no longer a problem, as if everybody wanted little
girls to go to school. And it’s all a fantasy for 10,
20 years down the road. None of the things that need
to be in place now are anywhere near in place. BILL STEUBER: That antenna right
there, every time I walk by it, I think, if that’s not a
symbol for what we’re trying to do here, I don’t
know what is. I mean, it’s a functioning
radio tower. It’s standing on its own. It’s twisted and bent and
held up with strings. But it’s there, and it works. And hopefully it’ll still
be there after 2014. BEN ANDERSON: Pretty much every
day there was a major blow to Major Steuber. Something really bad happened
that he hadn’t seen coming. In this case, there was a deputy
police commander who he was sure had tortured detainees
and had chai boys himself that everyone thought
had been retired– politely fired. Suddenly, he appeared
again on the base. BILL STEUBER: Any time you
think you got this place figured out, something else’ll
come up around the corner that you weren’t expecting. I had been assured by the DG. I had been assured by people
at provincial that that guy was going to be gone, and I
wasn’t going have to worry about him, that he was going
to be prosecuted for crimes against the people
of this country. But he’s still here. Although he looks a little bit
more humble than he was a few days ago, he’s still here. And I don’t know what I’m
going to do about that. But he is away. He’s out of the driver’s
seat for right now. Ghuli Khan’s back. And that gives me hope. Because if you have people
like Ghuli Khan– even though he’s had
a checkered past. He’s no saint by any means. You saw today, he’s working
with the [INAUDIBLE]. And the guy that’s sitting
across the table from him right there, right now, that was
one of the guys that was telling the [INAUDIBLE] that– him and the CID officer were
telling him, I’m going to kill you if you come over here. I’m going to kill you if you
try and prosecute people. BILL STEUBER: I don’t know. I don’t know. I mean, the case on that guy
is pretty open and shut, if you ask me. But apparently, somebody
at MOI– BEN ANDERSON: So Ghuli Khan
returns and brings this slight sense of cautious optimism. A few weeks after I
left, he was fired for no apparent reason. He was replaced by an illiterate
24-year-old who the Marines were told had paid the
right bribes to people in the government in Kabul. I came in a few nights after
this to the little area where they sit down and have coffee. And he was just laying on his
back with his eyes closed, and I thought he was asleep. He had got a call, and four kids
had tried to pick up an old Chinese rocket, I think,
right by the bazaar. And it had gone off. And– EDDY MORETTI: They all died. BEN ANDERSON: Yeah,
the four died. And again, it wasn’t
reported anywhere. I didn’t read about
it anywhere. But he had had to go and
pick up the kids. EDDY MORETTI: How many Marines
do you think there are like Major Steuber that are
torn like that, that know the truth? BEN ANDERSON: That’s a big thing
that’s no one’s talking about is you’ve got hundreds of
thousands coming back and hearing these statements,
knowing it’s utter bullshit, and I’m sure are coming back to
all kinds of psychological problems and seriously
demoralized. At least four guys I’ve met in
Afghanistan have committed suicide since they got back. I really expected to have some
problems with some of the guys I was with. Not one so far has said,
you’re cynical, you’re pessimistic. They’ve all said, yeah, we all
know that the game is up. That’s all you hear now is it’s
a success because 75%, 80%, 90% of the country is now
in the hands of the Afghan security forces. Let’s not talk about what those security forces are like. Let’s not talk about
their behavior. The fact they’re in
the lead and we’re coming home is success. Taliban attacks are up. Civilian casualties are up. Fatalities for the Afghan
soldiers and police are up. 310 a month is the latest
estimate, every month. If that’s not civil war already,
I don’t know what is. And you get the impression these
guys aren’t going to last, either. I mean, certainly, when they’re
on their own, they’re not going to last. I spoke to a few Afghan friends
who come from here and said, what do you think is going
to happen to these guys after we really leave? They said, half will
join the Taliban. The other half will
just vanish. A lot people are saying that
it hasn’t worked the way we want it to in Afghanistan. They’re blaming on
the Afghans. Oh, they always fight
each other. Oh, it’s just tribal rivalries,
you know. I don’t think that’s
true at all. I think there was a chance. We could’ve got it right. But we put the worst people
straight back into power after the bombing campaign because
of the rush to get to Iraq. And it’s our fault that it
hasn’t worked out now. [MUSIC PLAYING]

100 thoughts on “This Is What Winning Looks Like (Full Length)

  1. Funny how Washington flippantly blames Pakistan for the US losing this war. If you think about it, how can Pakistan manage to outsmart or outspend the Pentagon?

  2. People like John Bolton, John McCain, Netanyahu want to destroy the Islamic world for the love of israel. Israel first. They will do the same to Pakistan as they did to Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria… they are desperate for Iran to fall. The NWO will not tolerate islam.

  3. We could have given everyone in Afghanistan a new car, new highways, and a nationwide electrical system for a cheaper price, and won unshakable allies in the process while saving shit tons of lives and treasure, by avoiding a war.

  4. there's no need more to continue fake war on terror….for God sake get the hell out of there.

  5. And now 6 years later, this people are in the very same place and Major Steuber was right, these people are 100 years behind the rest of the world …

  6. This is so sad to see. I wish we could send all these kids to school and get away with all of the weed and abuse. This documentary really makes you appreciate the smallest things you have.

  7. So when these Marines pull out pull out they are ordered to leave the local forces to run the show – the lazy, corrupt, murdering, thieving, child-raping, drugged-up, un-educated, inept fools to run the show. WHY? God help Afghanistan.

  8. This documentary was taken 6 years even now today there's still no progress in Afghanistan we should just get the hell out of there

  9. James Cunningham…how much bribe money do you get from the CIA to turn a blind eye to their opium trafficking ?

  10. Fuck man. Just pull out all our troops and equipment out of there. America has held their hands long enough. Time for then to sink or swim.

  11. "how does someone who has serious evidence of their crimes get back into power?"— ROFLMAO ASK OUR OWN POLITICIANS!

  12. IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO WORK(for the benefit of Afghanistan people nor america)! IT WAS MEANT TO DISRUPT THE CURRENT SOCIAL STRUCTURE ENOUGH TO WEAKEN THE NATION AS A WHOLE! AND TO EMPOWER ZIONISTS!! THAT WAS THE FUCKING GOAL U FUCKING BRAINDEAD SHEEP

  13. How did he hold back from shooting that guy talking about raping those kids I would of killed him on the spot.

  14. In the first 30 minutes you can see they want to do their own thing. Firing rounds off for no reason is just stupid. I think the marines should have told them the importance of not giving your position away when firing at something they can not see. If they just fire off for the hell of it they will put them self into danger.

  15. Their culture, values and morals are not compatible with western culture. Why are we inviting these people to immigrate en mass to our countries?

  16. 1:27:18 those Afghan police officers marching looked like they were just goofing around. Were they serious with that?

  17. 1:12:43 & 1:12:59

    The dude’s laugh from these time stamps, is the laugh of evolution on pause. I’ve read a lot of comments of “inbreds this, inbreds that,” and I usually thought those comments were generally distasteful; but after doing some research (over the past few years actually) and watching this documentary, I’ve begun to believe that a little more completely. It’s as if a majority of them are truly behind the curve on developing biologically and physiologically—much like the royalty did 500 some odd years ago; I believe in Spain and other parts of Europe. Some blood lines quite literally bred themselves out of existence, by creating children that were severely disfigured, sick and infertile. They were developmentally stunted, and I get a vibe from many of these men that seems like it could be the case, even partially.

    A lot of it comes from the slack jawed, mouth breathing, thousand yard gaze…it’s that look in their eyes like the “lights are on, but no ones home;” I don’t even mean all of this disrespectfully, it’s just sobering watching how ill-equipped, unskilled and apathetic they act; then listening to Major Steuberg’s demoralizing account of the corruption going on.

    Watching the ANA coordinate their “operations,” look so unorganized—I don’t know the half of doing such a thing as I’m not military by any means, but I do understand group dynamics and working/leading groups—and those ops looked misguided.

    Lest we forget the whole slave-boy practice apparently everyone of their commanders engages in. Religions and beliefs aside, I would assume morality dictates the reasoning that selling your equipment for scrap, stealing from your citizens and raping their children aren’t the behaviors you would engage in to build trust and create confidence, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. It’s saddening and sickening to hear that; again, it makes the Major’s story (and I’m sure many others like him) that much more soul crushing. It doesn’t seem like their is a solution that he or any one man could possibly enact to prevent that “tradition,” as horrifying that is to admit, from continuing. This was a rough documentary to swallow.

    Side note: Ben Anderson is a G.

  18. Also, I feel as if those Speed Ball (paintball) teams could probably go up against the ANA and walk away with their team intact. That’s how clunky they looked following orders and running around in their gear. I’m sure some of those Air soft, war simulation teams would fare the same. I guess that really goes to show what growing up in a developed country versus undeveloped really does—with access to potable water, food and modern medicine. Should be a reminder to be thankful for these things if you were lucky enough to grow up in a developed nation.

    On the other hand, one thing does seem to persist through all levels of industrial development and find a place cross-culturally and that is the always timeless, good-ol’ drug use. A few of these guys were heavily on the nod here.

  19. I think the highlight of all of the time I spent in Iraq and Afghanistan was when I was accompanying a US Army Deputy District Chief (full Colonel) in Zabul Province and we visited an ANP station for a quick meet and greet. The look on his face when he saw the six foot high pot plants growing outside the barracks entrance was priceless. Good times!

  20. Must be a wonderful feeling of "freedom" for the Americans having them alone spent ca $860billions/year for 19 years and now at last see…the Taliban rule 90% of yhe country.

  21. Too much use of drugs in the institutions that trillions were hoped would help change epidemics like pedophile police soldiers and political loosers But the Afghanistan of the 1960s is long gone and the Taliban is with their extreme doctrine is proberly the only way to strategically help this sick nation.
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  22. Wasted time, effort ,cash just leave them to their fate … Or bring them to ny ny …

  23. i think you forgot what they've been throuhg during the last 20 years. Did you really expect another behavior after shock they suffered? they made this trouble and this is only the consequences.

  24. Complete fucking morons. I was involved in training Arab militaries and this is exactly how they behave as well.

  25. Lost two good friends to that shit hole. There vehicle hit a IED sprung with ambush we spent 5hrs in fire fight push them back from the blast site. We identified there body parts from there tattoos. British Airborne

  26. 4:21 the hatred for the Marines is so palpable there. and tbh the Americans seem so unprepared to deal with the cultural differences.

  27. Great insight into what really went on in Afghanistan. Ben Anderson is a great conflict reporter, and has balls of Iron! What a complete waste of time, money and lives, that this phoney war was.

  28. 54:30 Then drag one of the pedophiles out into the center of the base in front everyone….and shoot him in the head

  29. Bacha baz Afghans come n face Pakistan when you are capable enough.
    You guys have liberty in Pakistan thats why you piss us off.
    On the battle field, you Afghans are useless than even Indians.
    And man those Americans were treating you good.

  30. And people don't understand why people in Sweden don't want to bring in these afghans and why they are behind so many rapes.

  31. What a bunch of stone age idiots. Watching these people try and maintain their "culture" while using Western forces to do their dirty work pisses me off no end. The Coalition should leave these assholes to destroy themselves. No great loss as far as I can tell.

  32. Where is the public outrage of boys getting fucked by 60 year old men. From anyone at any age doesn't matter. If it were girls there would be protest. It's funny how somehow a boy's life isn't worth as much as a girls,fuck you .

  33. Shocking?! What is so shocking really? You have imperialist regimes the US and the Brits invading Afghanistan in the name of "democracy and freedom" and then decimating the entire region to nothingness, nothing "shocking" there. The US did the same in Vietnam, Haiti, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Dom Republic, Cuba, Iraq and recently Syria.

  34. the most fucking salty and pathetic afghan soldiers ive ever seen. Its basic humanity to give your prisoners food and water… They act like every fucking word the marines say is a form of disrespect when its not. Theyre just telling you how to fucking not live like animals, even in a middle of a war to prevent contagious diseases. God knows how much shit and piss is in that prisoner hole since there is probably not enough room to bury the shit in there. Youre just proving stereotypes right when you cant even act professional and humble to marines who are trying to help. I bet you none of these aghanies ever attempt to get to know those marines, and when the marines try to talk to them, they just repeat "interpreter… interpreter" like an asshole. Also just because America says theyre gonna help your country doesnt mean they will give you guns and ammo….. so fucking stupid. wont be surprised if they cant even read as well. Just seem so juvenile like just running out there shooting like rambo at a possible kid walking with his father…. dont get me started on the commanders who rape or let their soldiers rape kids….. what the fuck is going in that wasteland of a country.

  35. Borderline mental disability IQ, with a pinch of heroine and opium addiction, along with being boy-loving pedophiles.Afghanistan in a nutshell.

  36. dude i get so pissed off at that stupid fuckin movie trailer they have at the presentation. so stupid. this isnt a fuckin movie. its real life, these are real people, not paid actors you motherfucking idiots.

  37. Christ you can see the defeat and exhaustion in maj. Steuber's face and eyes.. it would be everything I had not to shoot these fuckheads. especially when I found out they'd been raping and murdering little kids..

  38. Americans put those guys in Power and run the progressive and democratic powers from the country, now you "see the problems " . Fuck you and your imperialist politics

  39. Being a British Pakistani I guess we as a world never really let these guys move on in their life and let them be educated and become a human being. If you look at Afghanistan's history these guys were well controlled by Taliban and they were working on education etc. All this media propaganda about Taliban and women is all load of BS. Everyone can sit on CNN and BBC and have a verbal diarrhea over Afg but the ground reality is what you have seen in this vid. When you create an Army full of drug addicts and northern alliance tribal fools then this is what you get. These guys needed to be educated which US could have done easily and would have raised an educated generation by now but hey war sells and peace doesn't. Next door Pakistan has worked on their tribal areas and they have built schools and colleges and now their next generation is joining the army from those schools – I think Afg will be the last nail in the coffin of US economy before we see the anti Christ appearing in Israel

  40. The most biggest waste of resources in the history of wars bullshit even helping these assholes they will never change glad I'm out fuck that shithole rape kids all fucked up.1 fuck tried shaking my left hand I kicked him in the face .all about money we make there and loose good men for real wars.1 bomb build casino's and claim land.should left sadam in power least he put fear into his people.

  41. theres no way to say this without sounding racist but every non american looked so retarded in this. just completely slack jaw and didnt give a shit .

  42. How can these men call themselves muslim men and then rape and kidnap CHILDREN!! It's horrific and as a muslim I am disgusted.

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