What the F*ck Is a Tumblr Feminist? | Feminist Fridays

What the F*ck Is a Tumblr Feminist? | Feminist Fridays


We’re just gonna have a nice little chat today,
just sit back, relax, and talk about…avocados. See you guys keep wanting me to come back
and do comedy videos but this is the level that we’re at right now. It’s kinda like a
muscle and if my ability to be funny is anything like my current level of fitness…then I
still can’t run a mile. So it’s like a Friday but not like a “Feminist Friday” if you know
what I mean. Well I guess it’s a Feminist Friday, just like a super chill Feminist Friday.
If we could get any more laid back right now we would be on a recliner. Highbrow comedy
we have right here. Should we do the intro? I think–let’s just do the intro. Hi! Welcome
to Feminist Fridays, a series where we explore the social, the political–no, nevermind that’s
not working let’s not do the intro. So recently I received a comment on a video calling me
a “Tumblr Feminist”. And I was confused because what the fuck is a Tumblr feminist? So ironically
I asked Tumblr what a Tumblr feminist was because I’m assuming it was an insult just
because they ended the comment with the word “c*nt”. I get a lot of insulting comments
on YouTube sometimes because..I’m so charming. At least that’s what my mom says…no my mom
doesn’t say that. I think if charm could be measured in inanimate objects I would be two
used moist towelettes. So I asked some of you guys what your definition of a Tumblr
feminist was and you said, “Generalized statements regarding feminism that are inconsistent and
pertain to only a narrow scope; usually aggressive, knee-jerk reactions to comments seen as anti-fem
without research into the issues.” Yeah, yeah I can see that one because sometimes Tumblr
is a little bit…just… *hand motions* Ya know? “Someone whose posts about feminist
related topics online are the only form of ‘activism’ they partake in.” This particular
meaning of Tumblr feminist is really what I want to talk about. I’ve noticed that when
there’s some sort of online campaign or any form of activism that takes place solely online,
it’s written off as “slacktivism.” Mainly it’s a “lazy” form of activism because it
makes you feel like you’re doing something when you’re not actually doing anything. I
really don’t like this idea because it’s a really limited perspective of everything the
internet can do in regards to activism and promoting awareness for certain issues. I’m
a Communications minor and I think the way that we spread information through social
media is fascinating. We’re just at this really cool time where the internet is still fairly
new and there are just like unlimited possibilities for what you can do with it. And I think when
people think of activism they think of the 60’s and 70’s, particularly when there were
lots of human rights movements going on and there’s this image of people on the streets
with signs marching and boycotting and bringing attention to issues. And obviously those are
amazing, empowering, and really inspiring images. You had to go to the streets in order
to make a big enough deal about something so that you would get news and television
coverage of whatever issue you were trying to promote. And I’m definitely not knocking
that, I think that it’s an important and necessary step in bringing awareness to an issue. What
I am saying is with the internet we have this brand new tool where we can reach thousands
to millions of people just with the click of a finger. And I think using the internet
for activism is the next logical step in spreading information. Whenever I hear someone calling
it “slacktivism” and lazy I just picture an old, stuffy white guy who doesn’t really understand
how BIG the internet is. Anyway, this got really off topic. This video’s all over the
place so hopefully I can edit it into something sort of coherent. I think I’m gonna work on
doing slightly different formats for Feminist Fridays. I think they’re gonna be a little
bit more laid back from now on, obviously not as all over the place as whatever this
was. I’m still gonna be doing the big scripted informational videos but they just might not
be under the label of “Feminist Fridays” or they might not even be on Fridays. I’m gonna
be workin’ on some cool stuff so we’ll just see how that goes. Anyway I’ll see you guys
next…Friday? Presumably? Um, let me know what you guys want me to talk about on next
week’s episode of Feminist Fridays. It feels weird calling this a Feminist Fridays because
what the fuck?

100 thoughts on “What the F*ck Is a Tumblr Feminist? | Feminist Fridays

  1. I like that you gave yourself permission to relax a little bit in this episode. Do what you gotta do. I agree that activism online tends to be kind of simplistically categorized and mocked, even infantilized. The assumption seems to be that this is activism for teenage girls, and that teenage girls are stupid. In general I see the term Tumblr Feminist as just another way for people who don't take Feminism seriously to laugh at it without considering the movement (online, in the streets, or in print) complexly. I see it instead as a way for many people who may not have heard about something to receive information and participate in a conversation without necessarily risking their lives, livelihoods, or freedom (things that are not always at stake, and shouldn't be, but can be when it comes to activism). But, as with any online community, Tumblr is capable of reacting with outrage at the drop of a hat, and sometimes this results in missed opportunities for complex discussion and in general paints the community as incomprehensibly angry and incapable of fact checking. I see this as a product of misinformation, peer pressure (reblog or you're a bad person), and a general atmosphere of being fed up: while not everything is a Feminist problem, and not everything is a problem, (especially when you're first unpacking the movement) it's easy at times so see everything as an attack, because so many things are. This way of viewing the world is incredibly limiting, it prevents action and constructive conversation, but it's understandable that occasionally people (and sometimes on a grand scale) take information at face value because it sounds like something that would happen, and get angry. 

  2. Sometimes "slacktivists" WANT to do more, but aren't able to go out and protest because of things like age, or they can't get transportation to events. And though reblogging one social justice post might not take a lot of effort, you're still spreading information and might even teach something new to those who come across it.

  3. I don't necessarily think of stuffy old white guys, I think of any of our parents. Like you said, the Internet is fairly new, and I feel like anyone over the age of about 35, unless their job is in the field of technological communications, just won't understand how powerful a bunch of people sitting at their computers can be. Growing up more on the Internet than in my own living room, I can see the generational gap. A lot. And I think it's all those people, the ones who never really learned from the Internet, that are skeptical and dismissive of online activism.

  4. "Tumblr feminist" is a term I hear a lot but the first place I learned about feminism was tumblr. Granted I have branched out from there and done my research and of course seen a lot of really radical things, but I don't think that everything tumblr does for feminism is necessarily bad, it can open up a lot of doors, but it can also mislead people as well, as anything can, but that's just my opinion.

  5. Totally agree about people complaining about "slacktivism" with regards to online activism. Like, I've had so many interesting interactions and discussions with people online, and it has educated me on so many issues. I can safely say that I've grown as a person thanks to people talking about issues on sites like Tumblr.

    Also, in regards to "Tumblr feminist", I often find mra-type guys mean it as "those crazy bitches on Tumblr who make up shit, overreact to 'first world problems', hate men and want to kill us and cut our dicks off". They can then use this to dismiss ANY feminist who has ever had a Tumblr account. This stereotype is mainly thanks to the rants of people like the Amazing(ly ignorant) Atheist.

  6. I got called a Tumblr feminist in an argument on FB the other day. And I was like…what do I even say to that? What does that mean?????

  7. If you get the chance please talk about the travesty that is "meninists", I need to hear you're opinion on it. Also great topic, people think just because you call out something that's problematic, you're a Tumblr feminism or a " white knight " as other put it.

  8. I don't understand that kind of hate. I watch your videos because I think that your arguments are well researched and not preachy. I'm fairly young, I just graduated high school last spring, and so, consequently, most of the feminists I've encountered don't have well researched arguments nor are they very rational or mature (real "tumblr feminists" if such a term is ever relevant). Your videos are refreshing to me because I finally get to gear well thought out arguments and statements about a topic I care about.

  9. I am such a huge fan of how you present your opinions on this channel. It's super followable, yet very intelligent. You tread topics with respect but also add a good dash of humor. And the content of your arguments itself is, of course, wonderful. Great stuff!

  10. I think that people who look down on "slacktivism" need to remember that many people can't go out and march in the streets, some can't afford to spend their days protesting in the streets and not at work, some are still under age with parents who won't allow it and for these people, the internet is the only way they feel they can make their voice heard and participate in activism …

  11. I think there's also a bit of a problem with so-called "tumblr feminism" in that the format doesn't really provide a great place to have lasting discussions about these issues. It's very sound-bite/funny-quote oriented, much like the internet and the media in general, and while I know there are longer posts where people elaborate on their opinions or posts that are circulated with responses attached to them, it's very hard to get any kind of call-response interaction about sensitive issues without it involving accusations of being fascist/racist/misogynist/ableist/queerphobic/transphobic/etc, which seems to be the main way people interact with each other on my dashboard anyway. Personally, I use tumblr feminism as a nice way to say to myself "there are all these people in the world who are at least trying to think critically, hooray!" and then continue to primarily reblog cool pictures and articles I like – it's not my primary site of activism.

  12. Loved your response!! Also, sometimes the internet may be the only safe place for someone to be openly feminist. You can never know a person's circumstances, it may be only that they have a 40h week or a kid and just don't have the time to be "more activist" or whatever it is the ubiquitous "they" are saying 'tumblr feminists' are not.

  13. I subscribed for the funnies, stayed for the feminism. Feel free to make whatever kind of video you like, dude. It's all really great stuff. Keep being awesome.

  14. I have an idea. I may be wrong, but I wonder if some men are resistant (to put it mildly) to feminism because they fear that if women gain something, men will lose something. It may be a subconscious fear. They may even have no idea what they may lose, but I think the fear exists.
    If I'm right, then perhaps it's worth incorporating into modern feminism an approach that reassures men that equality and respect will benefit women, men, society, and the world. I honestly think that anything that benefits an oppressed group benefits us all.
    Whether you're dealing with pets, children, or grown men, they all need reassuring that everything will be okay in the end, if we are kind and respectful towards one another.
    Though perhaps I'm naíve.
    Perhaps you've addressed this already.
    Perhaps I've no idea what I'm talking about.
    Anyway, perhaps something to consider.

  15. This "real casual" vid made me miss the old-school Marina a lot. 🙁 You clearly haven't lost your talent with exceptionally dry witticisms; the educational series must be stifling it somehow. I suppose you have a different direction for the channel now, but I have just been reminded how excited I used to be to watch a new Marina vid and can't help feeling sad there wasn't a way for you to be more openly feminist with your old vlogging style. Why can't everyone be exactly the way I want them to be??!!!!! Obviously I am one person out of 30000 that feels like this so I completely understand that my sadness means jack shit, but at least I can take the opportunity to say I really appreciated your humourous vlogs even though I never said anything at the time.
    Yours, Stanley D.

  16. This was fun! I think websites like YouTube and Tumblr make topics like feminism more accessible for many people to learn and be educated about, so people shouldn't discredit "Tumblr feminists" at all – sometimes they're just baby feminists who are still learning and becoming comfortable with it!

  17. I never considered myself an activist. nor did I really know what the term activist was until recently. I just don't understand why everyone thinks everything has to be so black and white. even if someone is only quote on quote talking about it on the internet and not irl. Why is that a bad thing. I talked about mental health & now I would consider myself a mental health advocate but I didn't start talking about my mental health irl(in til recently). I started on the internet and then after I got comfortable enough I started talking about it in my day today life. if a random blog that is on Tumblr that is completely anonymous is your foot into the door of finding out information and like-minded people why does that have to be a bad thing? also a lot of points that you made in this video are correct the Internet is huge and you can reach a large amount of people and a small amount of time. but even if you meet a small amount of people those people can change your views on things and you therefore you can pass it on. I have a love-hate relationship with the internet.

  18. Really excited to see where you go with your videos. I've been subscribed for a while and you are always informative and entertaining. It's people like you who inspire me to be a better person, to learn about the issues that really matter to me, and then to talk about them with others and speak up.
    Also when you compared yourself to two used moist towelettes, I almost lost it. 

  19. While I agree that tumblr is nowhere near perfect and there's a lot of bullshit going in, I personally learned most of what I know about feminism and body image and racism and all that stuff through tumblr. And by that I don't mean that I've read some articles and immediately believed them or anything but just by reading about people's experiences, reading ideas people share and whatnot I've become aware of a lot of things that I wasn't aware of before, and I've started acting on those things as well. Maybe not in big ways, but tumblr has made me aware of a lot of shitty things that I used to do, say and believe, and because of that, I've stopped doing and saying shitty stuff and stared trying to spread awareness in positivity in turn. And I know a lot of other people can tell you similar stories. So yeah, it's a flawed network, I'll be the first to admit, but it's not all bad and it's definitely not useless.

  20. I'm astonished of the professionalism and the maturity of the discussions here. It makes me really happy to see people disagreeing about stuff but still be chill about it.
      

  21. This kinda reminds of the ALS bucket challenge; People were criticizing how the challenge had so "little" of an effect to the foundation, yet as of August the foundation was able to raise 94.3 MILLION dollars which, I don't know about you, is pretty fucking incredible.

  22. Tumblr's feminism can be a mixed bag. I was at first really put off by it, but once I unfollowed the blogs who were obsessed with "male tears", I actually started seeing really insightful and intelligent discussions happening.

  23. You are such an intelligent, well worded, positive person and your videos are always fantastic. You deserve much more than the usual hate, but as a fellow INFP, I'm willing to bet you pay a lot of attention to it half jokingly because it's difficult to ignore. Either way, I always watch Feminist Fridays. I've been watching your videos for a while now and when you started FFs I was SO EXCITED, and I was not disappointed. If I ever want someone to get a clear idea of modern feminism, feminist issues, feminist language, etc. I point to you. Straight forward, funny, not really gimmicky, thought provoking and intersectional. My partner and I usually watch your videos together, and we usually walk away with some perspective or information we may not have had before. What I'm saying is, I love these videos and I really look forward to much more of your insight and knowledge. It's important, and I hope you never lose sight of that.

  24. One of the things about you doing these 101 videos is that they are so easily accessible but I get that they can be super tiring. I'm really interested in how you change the format. AND REMEMBER SELF-CARE LOVE!

  25. I agree that the Internet and social media are indeed legitimate ways to engage in activism.  I also understand the anger that many "Tumblr feminists" may have about certain issues–after all, many people in the "offline world" do not take them or their causes seriously, so they need a place to work together and bridge physical distance via the Internet. 

    That said, the main issue I have with the stereotypical "Tumblr feminist"  is not that they use the Internet as a primary mode of activism, but rather that I suspect there are many people who reblog without critical thinking, personal experience, or contribution.  That is fine to some degree, but it would be great if everyone had a "real world" activism branch in addition.  (I don't know that they don't, but I'm sure statistically that there are plenty who fit this category.)

    In other words it would be awesome if more of the people who use the Internet to vent would continue doing that, but also have a more approachable side in real life so as to balance out their activism.   I do not deny the usefulness of some of Tumblr's more extreme approaches in getting attention for causes and the like, but if someone has the nerve to call any group of people any sort of "scum who should die", even being tongue in cheek, they'd better also be balancing it out with more affirming outreach for members of their own group in the "real world".  (Mentoring someone with similar issues is a good example of this.) This would also help the activist, by adding  different kinds of activism into the mix, and perhaps reduce the burnout that eventually may come from focusing solely or primarily on angry (re)blogging. 

    I would also encourage those who primarily use Tumblr to seek out a diverse array of formats and forums, online and off, to have discussions in.  I prefer watching vlogs to reading blogs because it takes a lot of courage to make a public vlog that is not anonymous and this raises the credibility of the author in my eyes.  So thank you for braving YouTube and making this channel!  I wish there were more channels like this. 

  26. So you're a feminist. Like, what do you want me to do? What is the main goal or, I dunno. Equality is a big word and just what do you mean by it? Men and women are so different, and I guess we CAN treat each other equally but how do you know we're … THERE? Not asking to be mean or judgemental, I just don't really understand the main goal but I would like to know. Thanks. 

  27. Maybe awareness through Internet is not so useful way to promote feminism at that point, but in other countries it's still the only way for somebody to explore the world of sex equality. Besause it's not something you can see on streets from posters, campaigns, let alone ads, not something your parents, teachers or friends can tell you about. So yes, Internet is huge and really, really important. I truely believed that feminism was dead nowdays until I discovered tumblr four years ago! Now I can find much more information on feminism in my native language, but still it's a translation made by nonpro mostly for blogs. And since it's becoming trend I can talk to my friends about it – but not four years ago, when there was only me and tumblr.

  28. I'd never heard of the term "tumblr feminist" before, but it doesn't surprise me that it would be used as an insult. Goes into the same bucket as "social justice warrior" for me. A phrase used to make people who care about important things/are vocal about it seem like silly people who have no basis for their views. 

  29. I love what you do and it's inspiring for me. I agree that nowadays media resource is huge and working with stuff on the Internet may help a lot. Today we can share important ideas while 20 years ago we had to share books and magazines in order to do it. Internet is definitely more powerful than that.

  30. Your video's are so great, I watch them all 🙂 The tumblr feminism concept is interesting, as really what can it be. There's so many people with so many different viewpoints. While I (of course) don't believe misandry is ok (whoch does happen occasionally on that website) and it's not okay to call anyone worthless, I do understand some of the jokes. It's a coping strategy for this painfully patriarchal society we live in. I mean, I'm white and I think white people jokes are fine and I really don't mind thwm at all, so I feel this same idea atill applies to institutionalised sexism. And tumblr can be v toxic but it's good that so many young people are now thinking about these human rights issues and discussing them! Sure we make mistakes, but that's gpoing to happen. It's a means of growth. 🙂 So I have my issues with some of the lessons tumblr teaches but at the very least it's approaching subjects that don't get apprpached as much as they really should.

  31. I follow people like you on tumblr and they say the same things as my gender studies lecturers. Learning about social issues through tumblr has totally helped me in the real world. When my friends came out as gay or trans and their parents weren't very understanding, or when my boyfriend wanted to make a skirt, or when a lesbian friend of mine felt attracted to a guy, I was informed and able to be helpful. 

    P.S. I actually laughed so hard during this video. "I'm assuming it was an insult because the comment ended with the word cunt." 

  32. If you do all your social justice work online, you're called a slacktivist.

    If you start holding real protests, people blame you for taking up space and clogging traffic (need I even mention the chances of getting pepper sprayed).

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.

  33. Marina, I felt in love with you channel! It's amazing and I cannot stop watching the next and next video. Keep up the good work! 
    —Your fan

  34. I think MRA's use of the terms 'Tumblr feminist' or 'radical feminist' or 'feminazi' or 'third wave feminist' or all of the other crazy qualifiers they come up with is just an admission that NO ONE ON EARTH could possible object to the basic premise of regular good-old feminism which is equal rights.  

    All men (i.e. all men and women) are created equal.  It's such a fundamental idea that it's the high point of our founding documents.  

    So even the worst anti-feminists have to divide the world into "good feminists" who we all agree with and those mysterious "bad feminists" who are only glimpsed fleetingly in lists of quotes from when feminists were being especially angry.  

    It's how they explain the fact that when you actually ASK a feminist whether he or she hates men, they say 'no, of course I don't'.  

    Feminism is so diverse that even some anti-feminists call themselves feminists.  Anti-feminists are just going to have to accept that feminists are incredibly diverse (and international).  There is no way to say you disagree with all of us and be right.  

  35. Am I allowed to be a feminist even though I'm a male? Some people have told me I can't but, I want to hear it from you. You seem pretty smart

  36. Internet activism is a good start but to be a movement you kind of have to move. If your actavism begins and ends with a few posts on tumblr then it doesn't really do anyone any good.

  37. I disagree with you on about half the points you make about social justice and feminism, and I spend every second of your videos formulating arguments against you. I enjoy the reverse sexism and rude remarks you employ, while it may seem childish to some, it's definitely entertaining to others.

    Which is why I'm really enjoying your videos. You not only have the sass and deadpan style nailed down, but you also provide actual arguments to help your viewers understand the groundwork of your doctrine, which is not only stimulating for people like me, but also enlightening and educational, from time to time.

    I've seen quite a bit of pseudo-feminists on YouTube spreading misinformation and lies to promote their own destructive beliefs, but you come across as an actual feminist, with a true passion for what you believe in and how it could change the world. There's always a healthy discussion between myself, the viewer, and the metaphorical you, and that only fosters and promotes critical thinking.

    So I'd say keep making these. They're very entertaining and engaging, which some would argue is what videos should do in the first place.

  38. Let's just set a precedent: men and women are equal. Women can say what they want online just like men can. Women deserve to say what they want to say without being hated upon with sexist and sexual comments. Something in our mindsets needs to change to better our understanding of one another and be socially equal

  39. Agree…. I think for our generation social media is key for expressing who we are (or wish to be ? )  It is natural that if you're open minded, your online presence will reflect that if it's a big enough component of who you are. So if you have feminist ideas, then you might just be an instagram, facebook etc/etc feminist too. Makes no sense. People just like to vent on tumblr, and you see a lot of loud opinions.

  40. Thank you for making this! Everyone tells me that, "the internet doesn't count." As in, it's all fantasy or something and doesn't have any affect on the physical world.. Like everything you do on the internet is just a dream you had that no one else is aware of. And I believed that until I saw Ferguson unfold and how feminism has kind of hit the mainstream of my generation. The internet is a very important part of our lived realities now.. It's not 100% fool proof and magical but, heck yes, it works. Online activism makes a dent

  41. Well said! No matter how someone is protesting/being an activist, someone will always be there to say you are doing it wrong. People still are derogative towards the 60's & 70's protesters. It's bullshit. Online or in the streets we are getting to word out!

  42. I subscribed to you because I want to support your self-expression and because I'm really fascinated by the way your mouth moves when you talk.

  43. Actually, I'd say that Tumblr Feminism is best represented by people who exist in a closed system on the internet, where they can only bounce ideas off people who agree with them.   Without critical analysis, ideas that are clearly bunk flourish and are taken on board by people who have no interest in finding out if they're wrong.  And as such, they present their arguments with a certainty that is quite unbelievable.

    It's more a commentary of how you present your arguments, and the quality of them, rather then a comment of who you are.

    For what it's worth, I don't get that vibe from you Marinashutup, but then again I have disagreed with you in the past.

  44. You made me think about what it must feel like to have random people tell you mean/messed up things to you for no reason. It's remarkably disturbing that someone who disagrees with you needs to go down to a level where you're just like "what the fuck do you say to that". But it's all in how you handle it and honestly I love how you turn it around and make it a joke because it is so incredibly stupid and out there it's like "what's wrong with you?!". Anyways I felt I needed to tell you because your incredibly smart and funny, traits that are well appreciated ☺.

    I feel the fact that you are bringing these topics to YouTube is opening up the discussion. And discussing things is important because it brings awareness, opens perspectives up and can intern cause action. I feel discussion is the beginning step. The fact that you brought this, for example tumblr feminist topic to my consciousness is the point of discussion. Keep doing you 😏

  45. it would be awesome if you could talk about meninism (and how some claim to see it as a joke, while I don't really find it quite that funny at all)

    I also want you to know that you are awesome for making these videos, and your videos bring me life and knowledge that I may not be aware of (as well as to many others). You and Laci Green are two of the female youtubers I really respect for speaking your mind while bringing facts and important discussions to light. I hope you aren't discouraged by the hate on youtube (it's a given for anyone who's popular tbh). So no matter how laid back you choose to become, know that you still have fans.

  46. Hi, i just watched your video and a few others over the past week. Recently I have been interested in gender issues that I have been seeing brought up all over the Internet. I find myself very confused. From what I have concluded there seems to be a split in the debate between "feminists" and "feminist debunkers". The odd thing here is both groups seem to agree on most points. Neither side seems to believe that women should not be granted all the same rights as men. Both sides seem to agree that sexual consent is a basic human right. That sexual harassment is wrong. I wonder where the communication is breaking down? Maybe I just don't understand everyone's point of view fully.

  47. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me. It seems like such a shame that there was such a communication. I'm typing on a phone now. So I'll make this short. But you have my subscription. Any and all human problems should be taken seriously.

  48. Dear marinashutup, do you have any thoughts or comments about net neutrality and how its downfall could possibly impact people trying to educate others on human rights issues? I understand the basic concept that the cable companies are trying to make a profit from the internet, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. Would you mind elaborating?

  49. Good video. Definitely sharing on facebook. To help you understand more about Tumblr feminists, you should first understand the fact that you are absolutely not one. One of the biggest things about "Tumblr Feminists" that have given them such a bad rap is the fact that they spread a lot of RadFem ideology. Being that you're an Intersectional Feminist like me, you are pretty much in opposition to Radical Feminist ideology. For example, RadFems are sex negative, we're sex positive; RadFems utilize gender stereotyping to push misandryst ideals, while we we resent gender discrimination in all forms; they focus only or mostly on the oppression of white women, we focus on the oppression of trans people, both men and women, and people of all ethnicities and sexual preferences. Probably not telling you much you don't already know, though. But the first definition you read off tends to be far more accurate to describe a Tumblr Feminist in the way they're typically viewed. They tend to shut down any evidence against their argument as being anti-fem propaganda or some shit and just try to dismiss arguments against themselves through ad hominems. Once again, this is exactly why you aren't a tumblr feminist and why whoever called you one is probably a mental invalid or otherwise incompetent douchenozzle.

  50. I don't really understand what people expect from you when they say, "quit tweeting about it and go do something." As a 19 year old college freshman educating myself and sharing that info online is the best way I can do something about Feminism. Once I graduate I hope to become a lawyer and take on cases that pertain to race, gender, and sexuality. But thats not something I can do yet. I'm honestly curious as to what people want me and other "slacktivists' are supposed to do about it…

  51. I love coming into your YouTube and watching your videos, I find your approach really interesting and the fact it's like having a chat with your friend. I think feminism on tumblr can be good but also bad because a lot of the exclusion of particular minorities is seen very often on tumblr especially the exclusion of trans* people from feminism. Exclusive feminism really pisses me off, it's like saying that feminists can pick and choose the really shitty parts of old school feminism and they can leave out the majority of people that need feminism.
    Sorry if that doesn't make sense.
    The moral of my story is I think intersectional feminism is all round awesome and I can't wait until TERFS disappear from the Internet because they are super shitty.

  52. miss, it is referred to as "slacktivisim" because you are doing it in the safety of your own home and never have to stand on the line.
     the rights movements of the sixties where dangerous, so dangerous that one taking part had already written a will and in some cases those wills where needed. the measure of a cause is how much you are willing to loose in the fight for it, to a slacktivist that would be: nothing.

  53. I think its actually really unfortunate for logical feminist that the modern face of tumblr feminism is what feminists are seen as. Its really unfair to those who believe in equal rights that they should be held down by those who think they understand the term but clearly do not. I see tumblr Feminists as the Darkside of Feminism, i know theres other feminists out there who do believe in their cause and actually have logic and morals behind them, which makes it even more depressing that this is what Feminism is seen as now…

  54. Regarding "slacktivism", a lot of my understanding of social justice issues, including feminism, comes from reading blogs that talk about that sort of stuff.  It has had an effect on me.  Not only am I more informed, but I'm more conscious of my own behaviour, which in turn has made me a better person… at least, I'd like to think so.  So it's not like slacktivism doesn't do anything; if the goal is to make people think and adjust their attitudes, it's working as intended.

  55. Well, my mom is danish and my dad is Serbian. I can totally feel the difference in cultures, but when it comes to race, I'm just a mix of white and whiter. I've never really felt split up about who I am. I belong in a danish culture much more than a Serbian culture (fx. it's not considered a normal thing for men to cry or even comfort their kids when they're sad in Serbia. You know, if they're conservative)
    I can only imagine the struggles of someone who is mixed race. I'll probably never fully understand, since I'll never experience it, but I will always listen and support.

  56. wait…..youre not one of those ppl that think reverse racism/misandry/cishetphobia etc exists are you?
    or like, shits on newly coined pronouns or genders?

  57. I've been both physically activist and internet activist for years at this point.

    And it is so much easier to do it online, and much less effective, which is what the term "slacktivist" refers to. You share a post, write a page (very uncommon), and post it up for, realistically, maybe 3 levels of acquaintance to see.

    Organizing a really, on the other hand, is so much fucking harder and generates so much more direct effect. Online posts are convenient and can be useful, sure. But which do you think more directly impacts lives, perceptions, and the system more, a rally for Eric Garner on the streets of NYC or a person in Kentucky writing 3 pages on why him dying sucks.

    Both have their place, of course, but one is far more effective than the other.

    Then there are people who are "slacktivists" and claim equity with people marching on the streets.

    No, you're not.

  58. It's just an attempt to discredit the opposing argument by categorizing them among whatever opposition they can most easily refute. For instance, arguing someone who simsply disagrees is much harder than assuming they are a radical feminist who hates men.  It gives you lots of red herrings to tangent from the original debate, weeding around for better basis to refute.

    In other words, it's a just a petty insult usually.  Along side 'white knight', 'social justice warrior', 'liberatard', 'feminazi', 'PC'.

    In my opinion;

    Tumblr Feminist;  Due to the nature of content, the same ages of people flock to certain corners of tumblr.  Tumblr is to small females what 4chan is to small males.  The breeding ground for stupidity in many facets of each site. I blame this on their extremely open format, and poor enforcement of community guidelines. 

    So to be a tumblr feminist to me is to be opinionated, but not have many credible foundations, arguments, or reasons for your beliefs.  To basically be someone who repeats reblogs, but doesn't research them, or deeply reflect on their implications.
    Also to be radical, and uncompromising with views that don't have much weight.

    I only dislike the implication that all tumblr feminist are this way.  There is a good number, but it's like youtube.  Stop following idiots, and magically, you'll stop seeing idiotic post.

    White Knight; Though this is used to call any male who sees women as equal, or in any way disadvantaged a 'beta' , I concur it's usage for men who defend women even when they are in the wrong.  There are many times a man, in the name of feminism, defends a woman who is indefensible, under the guise she either needs help, or cannot be wrong, because she has a vagina. 

    This goes renegade because many people who use this assume all men who defend women, in any way, are doing so to impress them or fuck them. It seems they literally cannot fathom the idea of a male agreeing with a woman for any reason other than to inevitably get laid.

    Social Justice Warrior; again, along with liberatard, it's usually just used for anyone who is certainly liberal, with some progressive, if not idealistic views. Simply defending a group of people other than your own will get you this label.  Also, it seems hoping and striving for a world that's better, rather than submitting to utter nihilism in the face of human incompetence is apparently less intelligent. -_-

    Feminazi : K, this one is sorta funny.  I'm called this no matter what I say, as long as what I say sounds even remotely feminist.  I concur it's use in reference to old school feminist, which most don't seem to realize the what we would call 'misandryst' today,  is an old branch of feminism that always existed among even the most agreeable waves of the movement.  Today is unfortunately no different.  Women who use feminism as a blanket shield for misandry could possibly fall under this. Or they do in my mind.  People usually use feminist and feminazi  synonymous, so again, I find it hard to take the user seriously when it's used.

    I can see validity to each of these words sometimes, and there are legitimate times to use each one. I can see where it was used as a humored response to a genuinely troubled line of reasoning. I just don't feel most people who repeat these over used phrases mean anything more than 'I disagree with this, you remind me of these other people I disagree with'. On youtube? They are rarely used correctly, just pettily, to anyone with even mildly marxist views.

  59. Tumblr =/= Online activism.
    I'm a feminist and I don't even know how to use that tool, and the fact that many "feminists" now only get their knowledge from that site worries me big time. Even if it is used by people from different backgrounds, for me it can be seen as an extension of White feminism or Imperialistic feminism. Granted it is only used by less than 20 million in the world and mostly by teens I don't see how this can be inclusive. 
    Another thing that worries me is this lack of disregard for other kinds of feminism and academic feminism, now some people think they can claim the label just because they read blogs? I suggest to these people to get away from the computer and get out to the streets.

  60. I think tumblr feminist is used the same way as "sjw". A lot of people apply it to people who point out that something they did or said was a little fucked up. To dismiss the idea that they may have said or done something wrong, they typically accuse the person of being reactionary or over sensitive or something like that. I have seen people on tumblr really jump down people's throats and be wrong, but I have to say I mostly see so called "white feminists" do this. Accusing Nicki Minaj of cultural appropriation for wearing a head dress, not realizing it's a headdress from Trinidad where she's from is a good example.

    As a side point, I think tumblr is one of the places a lot of people first begin to hear sociological terms and conversations. I've heard white, cis men complain about how tumblr "bullshit" has somehow spread to the education system because they took an actual sociology class. They're hearing things for the first time, don't like, don't like the source and want to brush it off a some weird thing cooked up by a bunch of man-hating, white-hating, cis-hating, straight-hating people on a dumb website. But also, when you're first learning about oppression and you're someone who wants to do something about it, you do tend to be a little reactionary. You see it everywhere and you're kind of hyper-aware and sometimes wrong.

    I honestly think some people on tumblr are straight up mean, especially to people who benefit from their oppression. And while it's not nice, I can't really condemn it. They create blogs that are safe places that don't exist for them in the real world and for people to infiltrate those spaces and feel entitled to … anything at all there is a bit silly to me. Like if I make a blog about the beauty of women of color around the world and a white girl comes on my blog in my ask telling me I'm racist for not glorifying her blonde, blue-eyed, pale-skinned, slim body… I might get a little nasty especially when she's the 10th person to do that all week. I've noticed the tendency to call someone a hypocrite because they don't specifically include an aspect of an issue. The person themselves don't actually care about the issue but they use it to derail and "discredit" the person talking. An example being saying someone talking about rape and domestic violence rates among women didn't mention men. Definitely needs to be mentioned (maybe it should have it's own post that the accuser won't make, won't reblog), but the accuser typically isn't talking about it themselves. They just sort of want the person talking about rape and domestic violence against women to shut up.

  61. I'm always surprised that young people still think of the internet as 'not a real place', and marching in the streets as 'more real' than writing a blog post or communicating with people across the world. Why? I have two comments about this attitude.

    1. The goal of protesting in the streets and boycotting is the same as the goal of online activism: to raise awareness and in so doing, change opinions and policies. There is no evidence that protesting in the streets or boycotting is always more effective, especially if the media doesn't cover it, or covers it in a biased way. Social media is the way that activists can circumvent this problem by speaking to each other, possible allies and even opponents directly. Online, there are resources for learning about oppression and finding support and community that have changed the whole game. Politicians and businesses change their policies based on internet backlash. Government corruption and hypocrisy is almost impossible to hide now. Online activism is changing attitudes all the time, to the point that even the most strident bigots can't really ignore the voices of marginalized groups any more. They may still hate us, but they know we exist and they can't just get away with it without criticism.

    2. Not everyone has the means to march in the streets or whatever people see as 'real activism'. People who are poor and/or disabled are empowered by the internet in ways no 'real world activism' could. They don't have to worry about the accessability of venues, the monetary costs involved in travel or missing work, the risk of going to jail, getting fired, or getting injured. Disabled people don't have to worry as much about the psychological and physical toll that activism will take on them. If you think that activism should be measured by the cost people can afford to pay rather than the result, your activism is elitist.

  62. Yup, gotta love the dismissive 'tumblr feminist,' 'feminazi,' and ' social justice warrior' insults. I certainly won't deny that those negative stereotypes exist for a reason, but it really does bother me that there are so many people who just assume the whole movement is like that, especially people who agree with the principles but refuse to identify as such. There seems to be far more people critiquing feminism than those who spread awareness for the rest of us sane feminists who honest to god just want equality. In the US, and the world; for every race, every class, every gender and sexuality and anything I may have missed. But I've really lost interest debating those people against us, because it never seems to end with them understanding our point of view. It ends with them thinking I'm too smart to consider myself a feminist because I'm not the stereotypical 'feminazi,' that I'm an idiot to think that my version of feminism (equality) exists and that I shouldn't identify as a feminist, or they just completely ignore anything I have to say and just assume I'm a liar who's secretly a misandrist despite anything I say to the contrary. It just feels like a waste of time, even though I'm aware silence is far more damaging for the cause.

  63. Also: Saying that any activism is not "good enough" is very uncool. As long as someone cares about an issue, and is informed or willing to learn, they should not be shamed. I saw some comments on Facebook about how changing your profile picture to a French flag was stupid, and not really making a difference. In response to that, I would say that changing your profile picture to a French flag is how some people show their support, and should not be shamed.

  64. It bothers me when people say that internet activism is laziness. I can't drive and I don't really have the ability to make financial contributions at this time in my life, so educating people and signing petitions via the internet is the most accessible way to support a cause.

  65. i got tumblr when i was 15 and just happened to stumble upon feminist thoughts and ideas through illustrators i liked. I definitely went through the knee jerky righteous fueled by teen angst phase but it introduced me to ideas i had never heard of and probably wouldn't of heard of without tumblr. It really did begin to shape who I am today (now 21). i can remember slowly becoming a lil baby femminist in highschool and saying to a friend ' who cares if shes a slut , as long as shes safe and happy?!' and i actually got so sick of one friend insulting a girl for being a slut i told her ' tell me when she does something actually bad i really dont care who she sleeps with' (age of consent is 16 where i am). Thats a pretty big deal as its opposite what everyone around me said and i made my opinion formed online clear in the real world.

  66. Dead-on insightful AND entertaining… Absolutely brilliant. Love it when somebody clarifies something only half-digested in my mind.

  67. Misogynists dislike Tumblr because they can't leave unapproved, anonymous threats and hate filled comments there. They hate Tumblr feminists because they have the power to voice their feminist beliefs freely without any fear of death or rape threat responses and attempts to silence them by the misogynists.

  68. I always thought of it as a complement to "pop feminism" or "girl power" that I always hated as a kid. That watered down, occasionally to frequently factually incorrect, skimming over the surface of social justice issues that just ends in girls saying "don't call me pretty, call me smart or strong" as they continue to boss around other girls for petty things because "it's not bossy it's assertive".

    (I need to stop commenting on year old videos but I'll just pace around talking to myself if I don't)

  69. I think that feminism is so much more complex than people are allowing it to be in the public consensus. In my high school, "feminist" is synonymous with "know-it-all, entitled, uninformed, bitchy bully". Some women who I know consider themselves feminists unfortunately do apply with these adjectives. And it's so easy for the other side to rely on this blanket statement without doing research because they can say that some of these women are to blame.

    It's so bad that I've had to call myself simply a "humanist" in order to get any points about people's rights across. Or people just stop listening and judge me.

  70. Your talk of the 60s and 70s and how activist movements had to hit the streets to hit the headlines reminded me of this quote from noted professor, philosopher and media theorist Marshall McLuhan; that thanks to our new media that "the world is now a global village." That is no more true than in the internet age, and activist movements still hit the streets to hit the headlines. The rate of physicality may have gone down, but those activists still march. Instead of physical pavement, they walk throughout the global village getting their messages out there. I think the global village is an excellent forum for change.

  71. I'm setting myself up to appear to be an old white guy, but here's my issue with online activism.

    It is incredibly easy to get a million petition for an absolutely worthless cause. There have been so many worthless causes online that no one cares about online petitions any more.
    There has been a petition once to get a tv host removed, because he was boring to watch. It got 233,000 signatures, because people online don't even think about what they're doing. It is too easy to sign your name to trying to get someone fired, because you don't like them.
    https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/raus-mit-markus-lanz-aus-meiner-rundfunkgebuehr
    (Sorry this is an example from Germany, but those are the examples best known to me)

    I haven't heard about a single online petition that had merit to it or actually changed anything in the real world. And I think it's because people have seen enough idiocy online to take online activism seriously. Even if there are serious issues discussed, they are grouped in with the rest of online activism.

  72. It’s a silencing technique. The same people who complain about “slacktivism” say that protesting does nothing. Online activism provides those who cannot participate in traditional activism a voice, such as people with mental illness or other disabilities.

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